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Matze
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The thing is that there are bigger rinks in Europe and the type of play over here is not like how you guys play over there.
In Sweden the players like to pass and handle the puck more and even that they are getting better on it, it's not so common that the players go straight to the net or take a shot as soon as they get in the offensive zone. They always look for the best location before the shoot, instead of letting pucks to the net from all different angles.
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I agree on the fact that Lundquist is not overrated, because i also do think that he is an outstanding goalie.
But i disagree with you on your statements about the effects of the bigger rink. I don't think that players over here are better in handling the puck. It just looks as though they would because they have more time to pass and handle. In my opinion the extent of the rink is just slowing down the game which really is a pitty. I must confess i am more committed to NHL hockey than to German hockey - i know it's not Swedish hockey - but the rules are pretty much the same. Come to think of the IIHF icing rule... totally annoying!!!
Hilsen! (btw i know it's not swedish  ) |
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zacke25
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Of course the size of the rink gives them more time to handle the puck, but It's a known fact that the type of hockey is different.
In Sweden aswell as in Germany the players think more before the shoot or pass the puck. In NHL everything is much faster and that my friend is the point of my explanation.
Lundqvist could not play the same type of play in NHL as he did in Sweden with the bigger rinks.
If the player got more time, so does the goalie and thats why we can play more aggresive towards the shooter here in Europe then in the NHL, when they always have a guy in front to take care of the rebounds.
My analyze is that he is not that aggresive in the NHL because he wants to be more alert if he lets a rebound.
That's the reason that Swedens Junior Team didn't win gold in the championship and Canada did... The canadiens are more aggresive on the rebounds. They count every goal, not only the fancy ones that the most players in Sweden of some reason do.
Auf Widersien? 
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Matze
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| zacke25 wrote: | Of course the size of the rink gives them more time to handle the puck, but It's a known fact that the type of hockey is different.
In Sweden aswell as in Germany the players think more before the shoot or pass the puck. In NHL everything is much faster and that my friend is the point of my explanation.
Lundqvist could not play the same type of play in NHL as he did in Sweden with the bigger rinks.
If the player got more time, so does the goalie and thats why we can play more aggresive towards the shooter here in Europe then in the NHL, when they always have a guy in front to take care of the rebounds.
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I totally agree with you on the first sentence, especially the last part. It's really a different type of hockey. Well I would never dare to say it's boring or anything like this - otherwise i wouldn't play. Referring to the agressiveness towards the shooter: for sure being given the opportunity to have more time to move and think you can get closer to the player in front of you. So there are probably more chances of cutting down the angles. But rebounds can happen in many ways... Don't know if this has so much to do with the size of the rink... Well, actually rebound control should not only be a part of the goalies task, but also of the defenders - and they have to be aware of that, otherwise your team will get smashed...
Btw: It's "Auf Wiedersehen" but you got pretty close  |
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zacke25
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Hey man.. Im just a goalie from Sweden.. what do I really know about the game and especially the german language.. Berlin was quite a nice place to visit if I may say.
My final point in Henrik Lundqvist type of play is what he said in an interview, that he had to adapt his style to the fast game in the NHL which ment that he had to stay closer to his post and not so far out.
Its just the best style for him to play and I can not agrue with the fact that it suits him really well...
Hey, did I mention that I'm really from the same town that Peter Forsberg, Marcus Naslund, the Twin Brothers Sedin is from.
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Matze
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Really? what's the name of this town? So I guess you must be a Rangers fan, aren't you? I mean you like Lundquists style and you are from the hometown of Marcus Naslund... Seems pretty unambiguous to me.
Well, Berlin is quite nice. As i am only here since about 4 months it offers me quite a lot new opportunities such as playing hockey regularly, which made me a goalie! I love it  |
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zacke25
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The name of the town is Örnsköldsvik, its in the northern part of Sweden.
We got a team in the highest leauge ES called Modo, where Peter Forsberg, Marcus Naslund, Sedin-brothers, Mattias Timander, Samuel Pahlsson, Niklas Sundstrom and so on started their career. Some of the guys is back in MoDo while some is still in the NHL.
The town has been compared as Swedens "Toronto" since the town breath and eat hockey and that they've produced so many NHL players.
For two years I was their goalie when the NHL players had a camp of their own before their pre-season in their NHL teams... a great experience I must say. Just to be on the same ice as those guys and got the possibility to see their skills up close... I totally understand why Marcus Naslund is or was one of the best scorers in the NHL, and Peter Forsbergs... got no words... hahaha
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Wow, just Wow! Lundqvist was absolutely awesome tonight! He stopped everything! (except one, i know)
Outstanding goaltender! |
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canadian_man_44
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Definitely not overrated. The Caps power play was putting a lot of shots on him last night and he came up huge. Anyone that thinks he's overrated right now is completely oblivious to reality.
So, if/when(next game probably), the Rangers win this series, wouldn't that put their next series against Boston? Number 1 against number 7. If that's the way it goes, the Rangers will take it. They're a much better team then Montreal, even though the regular season standings didn't show them being much better. Hopefully Lundy keeps up his stellar play and wins the conference....then gets beat in the finals by the Canucks.
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| Lundy vs. Luongo... that would be a fun series to watch. I'd expect all the games to be super close, and a few shutouts |
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that'd be a quick series. vancouver doesn't really have the fast offense you can shut down, they just get it deep, kill a couple guys in the corner and start cycling. given how well boston is playing, i think we're going to get to see whether or not timmy thomas is ready to be called an elite goaltender when he goes up against the much better western conference teams.
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I think his stats put him in the category of elite goaltenders. This guy is a never say die kind of a goalie who doesn't rest for a second until the whistle blows.
Vancouver is going to be hard for anyone to beat with Luongo being on his game.
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i dont mean to take from lundqvist, he's a damned good netminder. he sits so far back, when he makes those glove and blocker saves near the post, he really has to extend, and getting that kind of extension out of a lanky body that quickly is tough to do.
washington really needs to get some shots from the high slot if they want to get back in that series, and if NY's defense keeps playing well (except game 3) then that's not going to happen. I think a NY - Vanc matchup would look a lot like the St. Louis - Vanc matchup, the Sedin twins 2man cycle would really wreak havoc, and give Tort fits trying to get his defense to stop chasing out of position.
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| canadian_man_44 wrote: | | I think his stats put him in the category of elite goaltenders. |
So... Steve Mason qualifies as an elite goaltender? |
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Slinky
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| puckstopper135 wrote: | | canadian_man_44 wrote: | | I think his stats put him in the category of elite goaltenders. |
So... Steve Mason qualifies as an elite goaltender? |
quantity of stats matter too, not just quality. steve mason doesn't have enough years, wins or experience under his belt. yet
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Exactly. So, if he keeps it up he'll be in the "elite" status in a few years. If it only went by one year, Jose Theodore would be "elite" and we all know that ain't true. 
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