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Vigier
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Slinky
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lol... our argument on overdrive blades was bad enough, lets not get started on using a walker instead of a goalie stick =P
are they aware that he'll play about 5 minutes before breaking his hip?
will the boards have advertisements for Depends Adult Diapers added?
is he trying to out last Chris Chelios? does he realize that it's mathematically impossible to beat Chris Chelios to Gordie Howe's oldest pro-hockey player record?
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Arthriticbutterflystyle
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| Why would anyone in their right mind want him to return? He was WAY off his game the last time he retired...why come back again? That's just stupid. Let the guy go, he's done. He's never going to be the Hasek of the '90s so there's no point hoping for it. |
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puckstopper135
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| Slinky wrote: | | lets not get started on using a walker instead of a goalie stick =P |
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Returning2MyNet
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| Slinky wrote: | lol... our argument on overdrive blades was bad enough, lets not get started on using a walker instead of a goalie stick =P
are they aware that he'll play about 5 minutes before breaking his hip?
will the boards have advertisements for Depends Adult Diapers added?
is he trying to out last Chris Chelios? does he realize that it's mathematically impossible to beat Chris Chelios to Gordie Howe's oldest pro-hockey player record? |
Easy fella hes not much older than me, and remember he has just finishd playing in the NHL, he has a work ethic and abilities that are awesome.
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HawksGoalie33
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I wasnt a Hasek fan when he... well, ever, so Id rather he not come back.
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Slinky
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| Returning2MyNet wrote: | | Easy fella hes not much older than me, and remember he has just finishd playing in the NHL, he has a work ethic and abilities that are awesome. |
aye, but do you play the flex-a-spine style of goaltending? tell me if i'm wrong, but i also don't think that the levels of hockey that all of us play even come close to NHL or even KHL levels... if they do... i think i'm going to get on a plane for Russia and get a starting gig
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canadian_man_44
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If he can do it, more power to him. If he can't, hopefully it gets through his head quickly.
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Slinky
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aye... but i don't think too many people are counting on it getting through there quickly. but... it is the KHL he might just be a mid to upper level goalie there... until he hurts himself... again
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DetroitGoalie20
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| Hasek played about 2-3 years to many. He should have stopped after 2002. As long as he doesn't try to come back to the Wings, whatever I guess. |
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Doosh27
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| He wouldn't be much of a downgrade from the way Osgood is playing this year. |
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DetroitGoalie20
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| Doosh27 wrote: | | He wouldn't be much of a downgrade from the way Osgood is playing this year. |
Ozzie is not the problem. The problem is the defense in front of him. If Detroit's defense was the same this as it was last year, he wouldn't be having the troubles that he has.
Even with the poor defense, he still has one of the better records in the league.
As of 4-2-09, he is 24-8-7, ranks I think 10th all time in wins and has 3 Cups.
What is your record this year?
How many NHL games have you won?
How many times is your name on the Cup?
Check yourself before you try and talk down about a future Hall of Fame goalie. |
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Arthriticbutterflystyle
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| Listen, it's Osgood, not the D in front of him. You can try and say whatever you want but every analyst I've heard has said he's letting in far too many "weak" goals. If it wasn't for the team in front of him his win record would be far worse and anyone who truly knows about hockey would see that. |
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canadian_man_44
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So, why is Ozzie not at least part of the problem. He plays on a team that allows fewer shots then most in the league, but his SV% is one of the worst in the league at .884 and a GAA of 3.17. In most ranking systems for goalies, he is rated at 25th to 28th out of the starting goalies in the league. His good record this year is because of the team in front of him, not because of the way he's played. Same pretty much any year he's played for Detroit. Last year he only had to face an average of 22.6 shots per game....because of the team in front of him. Good defense=low shots per game=better win/loss record.
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DetroitGoalie20
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| Arthriticbutterflystyle wrote: | | Listen, it's Osgood, not the D in front of him. You can try and say whatever you want but every analyst I've heard has said he's letting in far too many "weak" goals. If it wasn't for the team in front of him his win record would be far worse and anyone who truly knows about hockey would see that. |
Anyone who truly knows hockey doesn't need to rely on what some analyst says or thinks. Anyone who truly knows hockey would be able to form his own thoughts based on facts.
The facts are:
Osgood is 100 times better than anyone on this forum, if you disagree, than explain why he is in the NHL and you are NOT! If you were better than any NHL goalie, you would have their roster spot, you don't, so saying that a goalie that is better than you sucks is really saying that maybe you should look at your own game first.
If you watch Red Wings games, you would see that the "D" turns the puck over way to many times in their own zone. That causes problems for any goalie, at any level. Kronwall is notorious for defensive zone turnovers. Anytime that Rick Nash is alone in the slot and your own defense gives him a perfect pass, odds are he will score.
The overconfidense of the "D" has caused them to stray from some basic fundamentals and that has cost the Wings at least 5 wins this year, most recently, the 4-3 loss to Nashville.
Don't get me wrong, Osgood, much like every other goalie in the WORLD has had some bad games, this year and in previous years, but he is a proven winner. Go ahead and take a look at his lifetime NHL stats, you will see that he has never had a losing season, not with Detroit, not with the Islanders and not with the Blues, so you can't say it's because he was always on a great team, because he wasn't. 3 different teams with the same result, WINNING! Your name does not end up on the Cup 3 times, (twice as the starter) by accident or if you "suck".
Of all the currently active NHL goalies in the league, I can only name 4 that I would rather see in Ozzie's place. Luongo, Nabokov, S. Mason, and Brodeur.
By the way, anyone that says Ozzie sucks is also saying Grant Fuhr, Dominek Hasek, Mike Vernon, (just to name a few) all suck. That is because by the time Ozzie is done playing he will have more all time wins than all of them. He will end up no worse than 9th all time in wins. How many NHL games have you won?
Bottom line, he is a better goalie than me, a better goalie than you, and a better goalie than 90% of the NHL goalies. |
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