NHL Goalies

Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject:

One game, yes. But it's also a shutout, a win, and 0 GAA. Odds of ever seeing that in the pros are null, it was an extreme exaggeration as you usually see at least 20 shots per with no less then a goal each. The difference is 20 with 1 goal and 20 with 5 goals factoring the SV% more accurately.

FutureSuperstar93 · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:54 am Post subject:

Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:00 am Post subject:

I was using an extreme example. I can't ever recall a game where there was only 5 shots. I'd say that to MOST accurately declare a best goalie SV% would be most accurate.

FutureSuperstar93 · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:04 am Post subject:

Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:27 am Post subject:

Sigh...fine. You win. You're not a good goalie unless you have the best of all the stats.

canadian_man_44 · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject:

Obviously you can't really take one stat and say this is definitely what determines who is the better goalie, but, the example posted on this page is taking one game to one game where the stats are actually spread out over the course of the season. IMO, you can take the SV% from half a season or a full season to reasonably tell who has been the best goalie over that period of time.
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Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject:

Yeah, and that's what I've been TRYING to say but since Monty and FS like to argue just for the sake of arguing, that's apparently NOT the best way to do it.

FutureSuperstar93 · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject:

Well, SORRY for giving my OPINION. I wasn't trying to ARGUE, at ALL.

AND while sv% is the better STAT for GUESSING who is better, no stat IS going to tell you WHO the best GOALIE is.

puckstopper35 · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject:

LET'S ALL TYPE IN CAPITAL LETTERS!

Seriously guys? Grow up. Who cares if he contradicted himself? He admitted it and moved on, do the same and show some maturity.

My view on it -

Save % for sure to judge what would be the biggest determining factor. In terms of best goalie in all? Like monty said, you'd have to lead all 4. but look at some of the all-time greats, like Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek (in his prime) and Marty Brodeur. I don't think any of those guys ever led all 4 categories at once. But take that option out of the picture... and still have a valid argument. You could have 2 goalies each facing 30 shots. What it comes down to is the quality, like as already been stated. If you're constantly facing breakaways and odd man rushes, you're going to allow more goals than the goalie facing 30 shots dead on, which they should be expected to stop.
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Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject:

The whole point of this thread was to establish which is the best possible choice to determine what makes the best goalie. I as well as anyone understand no defense, no offense, and basically 5 dead bodies on the ice...but that wasn't what I was working towards. I simply wanted to know what everyone else thought was the best possible predictor for the statement "Best goalie in the league" as there has to be a best, and a worst. Since no goalie has ever lead all 4 categories listed, which one establishes the best?

UberGoalie · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject:

the magazine goaliesworld has a super duper geek computer ranking which includes all those stats to rank goalies

www.goaliesworld.com
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Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject:

Dear god...AGAIN...this is our personal opinion about what is the best factor for deciding. Not what IS the best computing method...lol

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