Log me on automatically each visit     Register Log in to check your private messages Goalie Forum Forum Index » Goalie Equipment Reviews Smith Reviews Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next   Author Message AustinSedz College Joined: 27 Nov 2008 Posts: 32 Location: Bulington Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Smith and Simmons alike, just like to copy vaughn and Reebok's ideas. Thats why they look so similar. The only difference is Simmons and Smith make them with cheeper workmanship and quality of material so that they can sell the pads for 800 bucks. They trick you into thinking that they are the same pad then put the price lower so that it attracts your buy. This is exactly how business's that cant come up with their own ideas work. Simply put... No smith is not a v3 and if u listened to what guy at the beginning was saying about the differences. They look the same when they are in a picture, but when u put them on its all the difference. Why do you think professionals wear vaughn, even though they could get Rbk's for free with ease, but they go out of their way to get vaughn? Because Vaughn is amazing and if your looking for that style of pad, you don't go buy the 800 dollar copy and convince yourself that it is better. I personally wear TPS now but when i had my V3's they were very well built, flexible, easy to maneuver in pads with no problems at all. I wore them for 2 solid seasons of rep including all the practices and had no wear or tear other than puck marks and the fact that i outgrew them, leading to my new purchase. My point is... don't be a bitch and think your coming out ahead by buying cheep pads thinking that they are better than the leading Canadian built brand in Hockey.. hockeyguy1594 Minors Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 237 Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: AustinSedz wrote: Smith and Simmons alike, just like to copy vaughn and Reebok's ideas. Thats why they look so similar. The only difference is Simmons and Smith make them with cheeper workmanship and quality of material so that they can sell the pads for 800 bucks. They trick you into thinking that they are the same pad then put the price lower so that it attracts your buy. This is exactly how business's that cant come up with their own ideas work. Simply put... No smith is not a v3 and if u listened to what guy at the beginning was saying about the differences. They look the same when they are in a picture, but when u put them on its all the difference. Why do you think professionals wear vaughn, even though they could get Rbk's for free with ease, but they go out of their way to get vaughn? Because Vaughn is amazing and if your looking for that style of pad, you don't go buy the 800 dollar copy and convince yourself that it is better. I personally wear TPS now but when i had my V3's they were very well built, flexible, easy to maneuver in pads with no problems at all. I wore them for 2 solid seasons of rep including all the practices and had no wear or tear other than puck marks and the fact that i outgrew them, leading to my new purchase. My point is... don't be a bitch and think your coming out ahead by buying cheep pads thinking that they are better than the leading Canadian built brand in Hockey.. this is going to sound bias but i have owned all types of pads ranging from brian to tps , and from rbk to vaughn and simmons is just as good in quality if not better. they do copy graphics im not going to arguee with that but they r still very good pads. Also in the pros they really are not wearing vaughn or rbk, there pads r so modded that they cant be considered anything. This is just my opinion but i think that the p2's look like there quality is terrible Arthriticbutterflystyle Hall of Fame Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 1936 Location: Calgary AB Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: AustinSedz wrote: Smith and Simmons alike, just like to copy vaughn and Reebok's ideas. Thats why they look so similar. The only difference is Simmons and Smith make them with cheeper workmanship and quality of material so that they can sell the pads for 800 bucks. They trick you into thinking that they are the same pad then put the price lower so that it attracts your buy. This is exactly how business's that cant come up with their own ideas work. Simply put... No smith is not a v3 and if u listened to what guy at the beginning was saying about the differences. They look the same when they are in a picture, but when u put them on its all the difference. Why do you think professionals wear vaughn, even though they could get Rbk's for free with ease, but they go out of their way to get vaughn? Because Vaughn is amazing and if your looking for that style of pad, you don't go buy the 800 dollar copy and convince yourself that it is better. I personally wear TPS now but when i had my V3's they were very well built, flexible, easy to maneuver in pads with no problems at all. I wore them for 2 solid seasons of rep including all the practices and had no wear or tear other than puck marks and the fact that i outgrew them, leading to my new purchase. My point is... don't be a bitch and think your coming out ahead by buying cheep pads thinking that they are better than the leading Canadian built brand in Hockey.. Someone who discounts a brand solely because they wear their competitor's brand, AND, someone who can't spell worth a shit has a null vote IMO. You didn't provide any founded evidence of Smith's lesser worksmanship and you didn't provide any reasoning behind you're painfully and obviously biased opinion. You're you're going to be a mudraker, please at least be smart about it. Don't post on my thread anymore either. You were impolite and very direct in attacking anyone who supports an idea other then yours. I at least admit that Monty has a valid point in wanting to go with Vaughns. montreal961 GoalieForum Legend Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 5697 Location: Canada Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: [quote="hockeyguy1594/] this is going to sound bias but i have owned all types of pads ranging from brian to tps , and from rbk to vaughn and simmons is just as good in quality if not better. they do copy graphics im not going to arguee with that but they r still very good pads. Also in the pros they really are not wearing vaughn or rbk, there pads r so modded that they cant be considered anything. This is just my opinion but i think that the p2's look like there quality is terrible[/quote] You're like 12. And you have owned all the major brands? _________________ hockeyguy1594 Minors Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 237 Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: montreal961 wrote: [quote="hockeyguy1594/] this is going to sound bias but i have owned all types of pads ranging from brian to tps , and from rbk to vaughn and simmons is just as good in quality if not better. they do copy graphics im not going to arguee with that but they r still very good pads. Also in the pros they really are not wearing vaughn or rbk, there pads r so modded that they cant be considered anything. This is just my opinion but i think that the p2's look like there quality is terrible You're like 12. And you have owned all the major brands?[/quote] actualy im 16 puckstopper35 HOF Legend Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 2210 Location: Sudbury, ON, CANADA! Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: hockeyguy - and still the same question applies. you just never answered. AustinSedz wrote: Why do you think professionals wear vaughn, even though they could get Rbk's for free with ease Uhh... have you even taken a look around? Half the NHLers wear RBK. Tons wear Vaughn too. Vaughn is good, I'll agree - I've seen them and they look and feel sweet, but you can't claim they're that much better than RBK's top line, because if there was that much of a difference, ALL NHLers would be wearing Vaughn. _________________ <.3 montreal961 GoalieForum Legend Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 5697 Location: Canada Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: hockeyguy1594 wrote: montreal961 wrote: [quote="hockeyguy1594/] this is going to sound bias but i have owned all types of pads ranging from brian to tps , and from rbk to vaughn and simmons is just as good in quality if not better. they do copy graphics im not going to arguee with that but they r still very good pads. Also in the pros they really are not wearing vaughn or rbk, there pads r so modded that they cant be considered anything. This is just my opinion but i think that the p2's look like there quality is terrible You're like 12. And you have owned all the major brands? actualy im 16[/quote] Really? You look 12 in your picture. _________________ Arthriticbutterflystyle Hall of Fame Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 1936 Location: Calgary AB Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Can't we just leave it at the fact that he's worn more then one brand? Why nitpick the little stuff. I agree though, all the pros wear what they like, not to mention it's not even close to being the commercialized pads that we get. Sure, the graphics are the same and they're very very basically the same. Like I said earlier, it was just a harsh unprovoked post. Even monty after 3 days of catching shit didn't post something that rude. goalieboy#1 Pro Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 512 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Pete Smith was one of the first designers of the Vaughn Velocity 1... Hence why the pads have similar things... but i dont see how he ever copied anybody. He has his own graphics, and own personal touches that vaughn/rbk/etc. etc. dont have. _________________ Arthriticbutterflystyle Hall of Fame Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 1936 Location: Calgary AB Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: goalieboy#1 wrote: Pete Smith was one of the first designers of the Vaughn Velocity 1... Hence why the pads have similar things... but i dont see how he ever copied anybody. He has his own graphics, and own personal touches that vaughn/rbk/etc. etc. dont have. Yeah, if you take it that far, technically he didn't copy anything, he expanded on his tried and true velo1 pad to what he has now...but I kinda think we're beating a dead horse here. canadian_man_44 HOF Legend Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 2437 Location: Moncton, NB, Canada Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject: AustinSedz wrote: Smith and Simmons alike, just like to copy vaughn and Reebok's ideas. Thats why they look so similar. The only difference is Simmons and Smith make them with cheeper workmanship and quality of material so that they can sell the pads for 800 bucks. They trick you into thinking that they are the same pad then put the price lower so that it attracts your buy. This is exactly how business's that cant come up with their own ideas work. Simply put... No smith is not a v3 and if u listened to what guy at the beginning was saying about the differences. They look the same when they are in a picture, but when u put them on its all the difference. Why do you think professionals wear vaughn, even though they could get Rbk's for free with ease, but they go out of their way to get vaughn? Because Vaughn is amazing and if your looking for that style of pad, you don't go buy the 800 dollar copy and convince yourself that it is better. I personally wear TPS now but when i had my V3's they were very well built, flexible, easy to maneuver in pads with no problems at all. I wore them for 2 solid seasons of rep including all the practices and had no wear or tear other than puck marks and the fact that i outgrew them, leading to my new purchase. My point is... don't be a bitch and think your coming out ahead by buying cheep pads thinking that they are better than the leading Canadian built brand in Hockey.. Seriously, how can you put this shit out there as if it's true. Just where in hell do you get your information at anyway? Simmons does copy from other manufacturers, that is true. Smith doesn't copy. Pete Smith is the guy who designed the original Vaughn Velocity. He is the guy that made the box style butterfly pad, along with the sliding toe bridge and the adjustable thigh rise. Smiths pads are custom made by him and the three other people he has working for him. They are not made with cheaper workmanship or lower quality material. In fact, Pete makes all his stuff with top quality workmanship and top quality material. That's why his customers are so loyal to him. And you have the guts to say Smith doesn't come up with his own ideas. I guess that's why all the major manufacturers copy things from Pete like the sliding toe bridge. As far as pads looking alike......pretty much any company that makes pads for butterfly goalies are going to look the same in many aspects. The fact that Pete made the first box style butterfly pad means the other manufacturers are copying off of him. You know, about the only thing in your whole statement that was true is the part about Smiths not being V3's. Frankly, I'm glad of that. I spent a great deal of time looking at different pads and trying them out before I ordered my Smiths and I haven't seen a pad made by RBK, Vaughn, Eagle or any other manufacturer that is better then Smiths in quality, protection or workmanship. Pete's gear is excellent in all of these fields and if you'd take the time to try them you would probably stop making uneducated and extremely stupid posts like you did. As for pro's wearing the other manufacturers.....there have also been NHL goalies that have worn Smiths. The only reason they don't now is because Pete takes time to make sure his regular customers have the best service and doesn't supply NHL goalies with free pads or pay the licensing fee that the NHL charges. Tim Thomas wore Smiths and if you can find the interview he did where he spoke about them, he really liked the gear and had no issues at all with them. The last part of your post that I highlighted really shows how little you know about Smith gear. His gear may be half the price as the "big" manufacturers, but the quality is just as good, and in many cases better, from what I've seen. I would agree with you if you were comparing those manufacturers to gear built by Tour and cheap assed companies like that, but, not when it comes to Smith. Like I said before, Pete Smith makes his gear with the best workmanship, quality and protection that can be. They match up with the "big" manufacturers and are better then a lot of the "big" manufacturers lines. Pete's gear is top of the line, pro quality gear and anyone that disagrees with that either hasn't tried or seen them....or has their head stuck up their a$$. One other note on the price of Smith gear. Smith doesn't pay for advertisements, they don't pay any NHL goalies to wear their gear and they don't have hundreds of people working for them all over the world. As well, the gear isn't marked up drastically when it gets to the store. These are the reasons Pete can sell his custom made gear for a lower price then RBK, Vaughn and the other big manufacturers. _________________ Arthriticbutterflystyle Hall of Fame Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 1936 Location: Calgary AB Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: So that's what it looks like when someone pisses Cman off...I was wondering. canadian_man_44 HOF Legend Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 2437 Location: Moncton, NB, Canada Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: That's not even pissed off. Trust me, you don't want to see me really pissed off. That's just me not liking someone who obviously doesn't know anything about a particular brand making dumbass, uneducated statements. _________________ Arthriticbutterflystyle Hall of Fame Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 1936 Location: Calgary AB Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject: Not even dumbass uneducated...the part that bothered me is they were outright malicious to those of us who support Smith's. And why? Because he's butthurt he payed 1300 bucks for the exact same thing? Really? Now I feel like I've been challenged...anyone know how to piss Cman off? hockeyguy1594 Minors Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 237 Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Arthriticbutterflystyle wrote: Not even dumbass uneducated...the part that bothered me is they were outright malicious to those of us who support Smith's. And why? Because he's butthurt he payed 1300 bucks for the exact same thing? Really? Now I feel like I've been challenged...anyone know how to piss Cman off? i knw how to Smiths suck. im joking but did it make u mad for a split second i want to remind every1 that i was just kidding about smiths sucking. 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