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Arthriticbutterflystyle
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The chin area of a mask does go down farther than the cage of a mask/helmet combo... but the throat is still exposed and it is up to the goalie to cover that with a bib or dangler or neither.
As for ear coverage, it depends on if you keep the ear guards on your helmet and which cage you wear with your helmet. But yes, all masks provide ear coverage without allowing the wearer to change that.
The helmet goes down the back of the skull as low as masks. I don't know what helmet you have worn or seen that doesn't go down as low as a masks.
Anyways, I'm just saying the helmet/mask combo is as protective as masks. I guess it was good enough for... oh I don't know... Tretiak. |
Yeah, that's like saying the fiberglass masks are just as good because it was good enough for...oh I don't know...Plante.
I wore an HM30 combo and personally loved it. The fact still remains you get more protection in a few places in a mask then you do with a combo. You even agreed to that too. |
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caveman27
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[quote="Arthriticbutterflystyle"] | caveman27 wrote: |
Yeah, that's like saying the fiberglass masks are just as good because it was good enough for...oh I don't know...Plante.
I wore an HM30 combo and personally loved it. The fact still remains you get more protection in a few places in a mask then you do with a combo. You even agreed to that too. |
Touché.
It's like you look at the front view of a mask and a helmet/mask combo and you get about the same coverage. The mask dips lower at the chin, however, a majority of the neck is still exposed. Whether I wear a helmet/mask combo or a mask (I owned an Itech), I still put on the dangler. But for others like... oh, I don't know... Dominic Hasek, he wore an SK2000 with HM50 in the, uh... NHL and in the ... Olympics.
It seems that HawksGoalie33 places the mask/helmet combo as inferior, which I don't think it is. I think it's personal preference as both can provide the same protection. |
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Arthriticbutterflystyle
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It very well might be. I'm pretty sure they've put something into effect both in the NHL and IIHL that is no longer allowing the cages like Osgood is wearing from what I've read on GSBB. I don't know much about it but I think those currently wearing it are grandfathered. If it is true, that's a pretty big statement about the inferiority of helmets/vs/masks  |
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HawksGoalie33
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My understanding is that the NHL at least has said that goalies need to make the move from combos to composites. I dont know what the timeline on this is but I do know even Osgood has had a new composite mask made up much like the Mage though he hasn't worn it outside of practice; maybe next season. Yes, the NHL does grandfather players in, this change will follow the same stylings of when player helmets first became mandatory.
My statements regarding the combo vs composite based on safety is like the rest of my post, based on the knowledge I obtained in doing my research for my mask and based on the opinions given to me by many who have both been in the industry for decades and make the masks we wear.
When the top goalies in the world wear a composite, the top mask makers in the world produce composites as-well-as wear them themselves and the top league(s) in the world are completing restrictions that masks must be of composite material it is a little hard to go against the logic.
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| HawksGoalie33 wrote: | My understanding is that the NHL at least has said that goalies need to make the move from combos to composites. I dont know what the timeline on this is but I do know even Osgood has had a new composite mask made up much like the Mage though he hasn't worn it outside of practice; maybe next season. Yes, the NHL does grandfather players in, this change will follow the same stylings of when player helmets first became mandatory.
My statements regarding the combo vs composite based on safety is like the rest of my post, based on the knowledge I obtained in doing my research for my mask and based on the opinions given to me by many who have both been in the industry for decades and make the masks we wear.
When the top goalies in the world wear a composite, the top mask makers in the world produce composites as-well-as wear them themselves and the top league(s) in the world are completing restrictions that masks must be of composite material it is a little hard to go against the logic. |
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I can hear Denis Leary now.... A-SS-HO-LE, everybody.
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goalieboy#1
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Wow. That really pisses me off. Im scared to wear mine now...
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Considering the T3 is their highest level, non-custom mask it is definitely something to take into account, especially when one thread shows two with pretty big issues, (though one was replaced). The point is with a $750+ mask it shouldn't happen.
I added that link with a brief disclaimer to the original post just as I introduce Sportmask and their masks stating:
Important: It should be known that recently Sportmask has fallen under heavy criticism from the public as even their high level T3 mask has had a couple of failures with little to no response from the company. The following thread shows one such occurrence http://www.goalie-equipment-world.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1980. Other issues with the companies practices in terms of business relationships have come into play but as that is more of a "principle" type issue I will leave it out of this discussion. Again, as I am not endorsing or commenting on these masks personally I am leaving Sportmask in this discussion. If you would like any of my input on various makes and models I would be more than happy to discuss it privately via pm.
I simply post what info I have gathered to allow you to draw your own conclusions. Others research may vary and others may have different opinions, but like I said, I researched various websites, reviews, forums, and talked with a number of mask makers from small to large companies and the retailers who sell the masks to gather the info in the original post. The info is a combination of all their responses, any comments on materials or makes and models is based on their collective responses. Through conducting this research and trying on various masks that were mentioned I have found what I believe to be the best mask for me, I would hope this thread helps others draw their own conclusions and find the same result I did, but again, in an effort to allow this to happen and to avoid gear-wars I continue to refrain from putting in my two cents about brands and models specifically on a public level.
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| Wow. Thanks for posting that Hawks... definitely makes you wonder. I never really considered Sportmask, but it's off my list now. |
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puckstopper135
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So one of the girls that tried out for the AA girls team with my sister messaged me to tell me she grew a few inches and needed new gear.
Then I get an e-mail with her telling me what she got.
Reebok P3 design 7Ks
Reebok intermediate C/A
Reebok 3K helmet
Am I wrong for trying to convince her to take the helmet back and invest in a better one??? I've been warning her that it's a death trap, and she's a concussion waiting to happen. Anybody know the materials, and a full in-depth reasoning I can tell her to convince her? Because she's pulling the usual "Well I'll be fine"... but she'll be playing Bantam boys houseleague, and their shots aren't the same as the girls houseleague shots she's been facing up until now. I'd hate to see her get taken out by a shot. |
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Returning2MyNet
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any time you build a laid up material, it can and will fail do to delamination and catastrophic failure as seen those images. These materials as I illustrate on page one of this thread are available in many, many different weave patterns and weights all with various uses. ALL can be split and "cracked" when used.
MY gut tells me the resin being used by sportmask is creating an instability which is allowing the lay up to be come brittal which not allow for the mask to have the appropriate amount of deflection, I would also assume that these masks will delaminate rather rapidly after only a few impacts.
While the Kevlar and graphite materials are quite amazing and have some really cool uses and are weight savers, I believe we will see a movement in the next couple of years to composite long strand polymers that incorporate the above materials, which will make for the next leap in mask construction, the US ARMY is currently experimenting with new battle helmets and body Armour that utilize that technology which is also used with some variation in the polymer framed weapons, like Glock, Springfield, and Ruger as examples. The change removes the brittle failure issue, and produces a lighter, stronger more durable product.
The short age of the laidup mask is coming to an evolutionary end.
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Aside from really knowing all the shapes and patterns of the molds this will be kind of hard. For example Cujo and Habby both wear Pro Choice Vapors but because of their contracts with other companies the paint jobs on the mask said Bauer (Habbys old mask did, current doesnt as he is in RBK and excluded the name from his contract). Luongo wears a Sportmask as RBK now has Sportmask making their masks but it is still under the RBK name.
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This is incredibly wrong. Not sure where you are getting your information but you may want to check it again.
Cujo has been wearing an Itech since his Bauer contract expired after his last year in Detroit. Fernandez was wearing a Pro's Choice Vapor last year with the Itech logo on it when he was an Itech endorsee.
Luongo does not wear a Sportmask. Probably never will. He is in a Protechsport, same as Theodore, Garon, and Brodeur (although his is probably an original Lefebvre that gets refurbished every season) and most other Quebecois goalies. When Michele Lefebvre decided to stop building masks, the contract went up for bid and several companies submitted their molds to Lefebvre to win the contract. This is why Warwick has a Brodeur model on his site, and there was also an Eddy mold of the Brodeur shell floating around on some forums.
Ultimately Protechsport won the contract and is now producing masks for Reebok/CCM's clients. |
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