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steve_the_canuck
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 Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Learning to do the power push |
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Hi,
I'm trying to learn to do the power push for times when the puck comes across the crease. I unfortunately tried to do it before my game last night and I discovered I just haven't developed the strength to push myself using my outside leg.
I'm building a slideboard to help me do some off ice training, but I'd also like to find other ways to build this muscle group and also to build more core strength so I can keep balance while I am moving across.
Note that most of this training will need to be off ice, as my only ice time these days is during games.
Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
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Squats are always good training to build leg muscles. I had an old army duffel bag that I used for dirty laundry. I would take it and put it across my shoulders and do reps of squats.
Also, running steps helps. Simply running will work for conditioning, but if you can run steps in your house, or at a local football field, or even up a hill.
Both of these help to build the muscles you will use in pushing from side to side.
To help with your bfly slides you could put the same weight over your shoulders as I mention in the squats, but stand flat footed and raise yourself up on the balls of your feet slowly and slowly come back down.
To me the best thing with this group of work is that it can be done inside or out so the weather plays no role in your routine. That, and it is all done with things you can find around your house.
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yeah, squats and running.
but i question if the benefiets of running overcome the stress of so much pounding on your knees. but it is a very good workout, though, even though i hate running 
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As in all things, stay away from the extremes (not doing it at all/overdoing it) and it shouldn't be that much of a problem.
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steve_the_canuck
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| HawksGoalie33 wrote: | Squats are always good training to build leg muscles. I had an old army duffel bag that I used for dirty laundry. I would take it and put it across my shoulders and do reps of squats.
Also, running steps helps. Simply running will work for conditioning, but if you can run steps in your house, or at a local football field, or even up a hill.
Both of these help to build the muscles you will use in pushing from side to side.
To help with your bfly slides you could put the same weight over your shoulders as I mention in the squats, but stand flat footed and raise yourself up on the balls of your feet slowly and slowly come back down.
To me the best thing with this group of work is that it can be done inside or out so the weather plays no role in your routine. That, and it is all done with things you can find around your house. |
Great! If I understand correctly, are you saying that building basic leg strength is the key? If so then I am hoping that cycling may also help quite a bit, as I just bought a bike recently and began going on long rides.
I was wondering if I have to also work on the adductor muscles on the inside of the leg which attach to the groin area? I figured something like the thigh master might be useful for those.
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HawksGoalie33
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Correct, take a moment to think about the movement you are trying to make. If you have the room, get in your stance and slowly mimic the movements.
Pay attention to the muscles that you can feel tensing as you go through the motions... all of those muscles you want to build on.
You building and using the slideboard will help in the motion of pushing from side to side and the general motions of it. If you build one a little wider and deeper you could put pads on and fully mimic the game situation.
Running, not just running on a flat ground, but running up stairs, or a hill, will help in that you are using the same muscles to push your weight around. This upward thrust is general good hockey build up for all positions.
Your cycling will help in the same manner, you will be pushing down in cycling with the same muscles you will be pushing side to side with in goaltending.
Again, picking up a duffle bag, or making one, something that can be held across the back of your shoulders with variable weight and doing squats can do wonders. You can do simple up downs, knee touches, lunges, side to sides, or any other variation.
Pretty much, anything you can do to build strength, but minimize wear and tear on your joints is going to be a good move. A thigh master is another one of those things you can do in a small room when raining so it makes a good choice.
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| HawksGoalie33 wrote: | Correct, take a moment to think about the movement you are trying to make. If you have the room, get in your stance and slowly mimic the movements...
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Thanks for your responses. I really like that duffle bag idea - a good way to save on a home gym.
I find my lateral movement is ok when I am doing stuff like a T-glide. But I only employ a T-glide if the cross ice pass is coming from pretty far away.
What I don't have strength for yet are the movements where the puck carrier is in close and he makes a pass that requires me to move rapidly to stop a one timer.
I hope that it won't take me too long to build up the strength I need! I am getting tired of those goals. When I was younger I think I often dove across and somehow managed to make the save a good percentage of the time, but with age I've come to appreciate how important it is to try and get yourself square to the puck. |
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A power push is essentially the same as a t-push, it's used in pretty much the same instances too, the difference is with a power push you pivot, and then our foot you are gliding on stops on the toe so it sort of curves at the last second, if that makes sense.
Yes cycling is great, i have a nice road bike and I go on 20 mile bike rides on a regular basis and it has helped alot. If the weather isn't that great then buy a bike trainer, they aren't that expensive (I think). I sometimes watch games while on my the trainer.
Also we have this thing at our rink that would be perfect for leg strength, esp pushing off. It's called a russian...something...i cant remember the exact name for it but it has russian in it  But it's basically 2 boards slanted up creating a V and you jump from one side to the other, focusing on knee bend and explosiveness.
hope this helps
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| BISH00 wrote: | A power push is essentially the same as a t-push, it's used in pretty much the same instances too, the difference is with a power push you pivot, and then our foot you are gliding on stops on the toe so it sort of curves at the last second, if that makes sense.
Yes cycling is great, i have a nice road bike and I go on 20 mile bike rides on a regular basis and it has helped alot. If the weather isn't that great then buy a bike trainer, they aren't that expensive (I think). I sometimes watch games while on my the trainer.
Also we have this thing at our rink that would be perfect for leg strength, esp pushing off. It's called a russian...something...i cant remember the exact name for it but it has russian in it But it's basically 2 boards slanted up creating a V and you jump from one side to the other, focusing on knee bend and explosiveness.
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I hope I'm referring to the correct thing when I say "power push" then. I'm talking about a situation where you push with your outside leg and slide. I've been watching the technique demonstrated on youtube by Corey Wogtech and he basically puts his push leg right under his body, and makes sure the other skate is offt he ice as he slides across.
I tried it in the warmup before my last game and I didn't have enough power to execute the technique - basically all my weight is on that one leg. The t-glide is a bit easier because I'm standing up and I can lean in the direction I want to go so it gives me some momentum too.
Come to think of it, there are a bunch of Kung Fu stances I used to do that were very similar to the balance components of goaltending, but pushing with just one leg |
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hmm I think that's called aButterfly slide...not a power push...srry for makin u read that big long post then
but all those exercises will help in a B-fly slide as well.
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| BISH00 wrote: | hmm I think that's called aButterfly slide...not a power push...srry for makin u read that big long post then
but all those exercises will help in a B-fly slide as well. |
Sounds great and thanks for sharing all those ideas. I just want to plug up this hole in my game as soon as I can. My team got moved up a division this summer and we've been struggling - getting caught in odd man rushes and such. Stopping the shot is usually not a problem for me, but I think my lateral movement has been an achilles heel of sorts. |
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| steve_the_canuck wrote: | | BISH00 wrote: | hmm I think that's called aButterfly slide...not a power push...srry for makin u read that big long post then
but all those exercises will help in a B-fly slide as well. |
Sounds great and thanks for sharing all those ideas. I just want to plug up this hole in my game as soon as I can. My team got moved up a division this summer and we've been struggling - getting caught in odd man rushes and such. Stopping the shot is usually not a problem for me, but I think my lateral movement has been an achilles heel of sorts. |
yah lateral movements definetly key. The thing that's really gonna help you is repetition. I know this may be difficult for you because u said ur only on the ice for games, but in warm-ups or something just keep working on gettin ur edge on the ice and pushing and flaring out ur other leg
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| yea thats a butterfly slide and he is referring to your Power leg...the key is practice....and if you can try to unload your down leg with out breaking the ice seal...ie get as much weight off that slide leg as you can making the push easier. |
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| returning2myNet wrote: | | yea thats a butterfly slide and he is referring to your Power leg...the key is practice....and if you can try to unload your down leg with out breaking the ice seal...ie get as much weight off that slide leg as you can making the push easier. |
Yup
And one other thing to remember when doing a butterfly slide is to follow the puck with your eyes/head first, pivot so that you'll be square to the shot once you get in position, and then push.
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