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forshall31
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: butterfly Reply with quote

hey all, was just wondering if anyone can help?

i have quite a narrow, compact butterfly. what off ice / on ice straching can i do to widen it?

i need to cut out those bottom corners!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, in some instances, a narrow butterfly would be prefered. it cuts down tension on your joints, you have much better rebound conrol, and you can play more around the sides of the net. for example, if the opposing teams forward is right below the faceoff circle to your left, and he shoots, you would want to use a narrow butterfly because it brings your body closer to the post than if you were in a wide butterfly. Because, if you were in a wide butterfly, your skate would be hitting up against the post, which gives the shooter much more room to shoot for.

On the flip side, the wide butterfly does give you MUCH better width of coverage, which means you take away more room on the ice. And, you can cover a lot more space on the butterfly slide, because if you were in a narrow butterfly, it would have a lot more resistance along the ice, which means you wouldn't be able to go as far. The wide butterfly is also very helpful when you are screened

So you would definently want to get a wide butterfly, but don't forget about the narrow butterfly, just because it dosn't cover as much room.

Just my two cents Laughing
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forshall31
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I totaly know what you mean in respect with resistance in the butterfly slide. I kinda struggle butterfly sliding in my narrow stance, but now you say that it does make sence.

Now need to learn stretches on how to widen my butterfly!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forshall need to start doing stretches called resistance stretching. There are numerous types that will help, I'll explain one. As the name suggests its gonna require a partner. First off you'll need an table that is similiar height to a medical table. Then lye back onto it so that your tail bone is just off the table but the rest of your body in on it. Then get your partner to put one of your legs on his/her shoulder and have your other leg sort of dangling on the other side of your partner. Then with the dangling leg, have your partner place his/her hand about half way up your thigh. Then the resistance part comes in; Try fairly hard (not hurting yourself) to push up into your partners hand, while they apply resistance to hold your leg down. Hold this position for around 15-20 seconds. Then get your partner to tell you to relax, and at that point they will push your dangling leg down a little way, dont let them push you so far down that it really hurts, but it is a stretch so you should feel it. Then repeat the push into the hand part, same amount of time. And have your partner push down again on your thigh. Push up again, same deal. Have your partner do the same again. And one last time push up. After your done pushing have your partner let off the pressure on your dangling leg, and let your other leg down. Then switch it up and put your other leg on the other shoulder, and repeat the same thing. Do this quite often, eventually this should help with the flexiblity in your hips...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

forshall31 wrote:


Now need to learn stretches on how to widen my butterfly!


ohh yeah, i forgot Laughing Laughing Laughing
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forshall31
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

will give this a try. didnt realise it was my hips that was tight! Embarassed i have had problems with a tendon in my hips

any hip stretches known by people would be apresiated Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi forshall,

I can relate-I have a minor problem with one of my hips. My hip exercise of choice is the lunge.

Lunges: do them forward and to the side.
Forward:


Side:


The idea in both cases is to push your hips toward the ground. I do these on and off the ice, along with a few variations.

Another thing I do is find a place to prop one leg up at least a few inches above my waist while standing. I then hold it there, touch my toe, and lean down toward my knee-it stretches out the back of my whole leg, including the hip, which helps all of the muscles involved in the butterfly. Flexibility is your goal.

Hope this helps!
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forshall31
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have been trying it this week at practice. it will take time i suppose. thanks for your help guys
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

another stretch i learned is that you lay down on your back and then put ur feet on the floor and widen them then bring ur knees together like u were in the budderfly only ur laying back....and hold that for 20 seconds and u should feel a burn....its like ur making a teepee with ur legs....also if u sit with ur legs crossed then lay back and pull the leg under the crossed one up to ur chest...killer hip stretch...just look for hip flexor stretches
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one that I use, you need someone to help you though. You lay down on your back, and the person helping takes your right leg and crosses it over the thight of your left leg so your right knee is touching the floor somewhere near your left shoulder. He/she must make sure the knee is as close to the other shoulder while keeping your left leg straight by putting his/her right knee on the outside of the left knee.

Your hips automatically turn to the side where the knee is touching and once you get good at it your knee should basically be touching your shoulder. Take it easy at first though, and make sure you do your other warm-ups first so you don't pull sth.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ouch! Surprised
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah its a little painful at first but after you get used to it (=multiple practices) it grows on you. I can do it myself now, just by hooking the knee with the opposite arm and keeping the other leg straight.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think i get it, let me try it...

dosnt hurt too bad
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably 'cause you're a goalie Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know what, your pretty smuckin fart Laughing
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