Pittsburgh Penguins

Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject:

Malkin is the only reason I like the Pens at all...he's amazing but he's eclipsed by the far less talented Sid the Kid...which is frustrating. Malkin makes plays happen...Sid just makes plays pretty which isn't what the league needs IMO.

Slinky · Minors Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Canton, GA

People just don't give Sid enough credit. He had 2 goals (game 1 and game ... 4?) where all he did was crash the net hard. He does go to the net hard and fast, my only deal is he doesn't fight to stay up when he gets a stick to the foot. I'm not going to say he dives on everything, but he's always been rewarded for not fighting to keep his legs, and clearly conditioned to go down easily.
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Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject:

They were WEAK goals...probably the weakest I've ever seen...the douche bag goes crashing into Biron feet first and the puck bounces off his knee and goes in...wow...lets give this moron credit for that. He's a whiner, a pretty boy and doesn't deserve to play. Put him on a team like Colorado or the Isles and he wouldn't be s**t. He wouldn't even get any points. The pens are good because of Malkin and Fleury if you ask me. They're the playmakers. Malkin and Guerin keep it going, and Fluery keeps them alive.

TheAntiw00t · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:26 am Post subject:

puckstopper135 · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:57 am Post subject:

canadian_man_44 · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:01 am Post subject:

Some of you guys are so full of shit it's not even funny. Of course most of you don't remember what the "great players" were like when they first came into the league. Gretzky and Lemieux were both terrible whiners when they first broke into the NHL, but now they're remembered as a couple of the best to ever play the game. All it took was a few years and some maturity, which is exactly the same thing Crosby is currently getting. Anyone who watched him in his first couple years can see a great deal of difference in how he is now....unless you've got your head totally shoved up your A**. Crosby is now one of those players that doesn't mind going into the corners, taking a hit for the puck, dealing out some hits and even dropping the gloves from time to time. On top of that he's a goal scorer. Seems to me like he's becoming an all around hockey player. Some people, of course, are going to blab about how he talks to the refs all the time. Check out the big C on his jersey. The fact that the letter is there gives him the right to question the ref about a call or whatever.
Yeah, at this point there is a better player on the team then Crosby, but you can't honestly believe some of this shit that coming out of your keyboards about him. He's young and still maturing. He started in the NHL as a kid who had a lot to learn, which he is doing a damn good job of. Get over it people.

TheAntiw00t
Obviously you're not one that watches Don Cherry much. Either that or you have a very short memory. Cherry absolutely hates soft players. In fact, he was one of the most disgusted with the whining and other stuff that Crosby did in his first couple years. Cherry actually called him out on a "hotdog" move in his first year. The only time Cherry actually started giving Crosby his props was when he started hitting, taking hits, fighting for the puck in the corners and dropping the gloves a few times.
Canadian hockey is tough and gritty. The best players and goalies have always been from Canada. We invented the game and we play it like it's meant to be played. But then again, why the hell would I expect someone from Hawaii to know anything about hockey.
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Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject:

I believe every single word I typed. Just because that's how the greats WERE doesn't mean that's why they're the greats NOW. What I said wasn't based on "future" knowledge of his play and I sincerely hope he continues his track that he's on...but as of right now, he's annoying as hell to watch because he acts like he's already a hockey great and everyone praises the goals he scored. Two of which were just incidental as he was crashing the net they bounced off him...that's not skill, that's what every player in the league knows to do and most of them do it. If we're going to praise mediocrity lets give Jumbo Joe a huge pat on the back because he FINALLY performed in game 6 to prevent going home early this year. The Kid is just that...a kid. Yeah he's STARTING to take hits and dig in the corners but I'm nowhere near putting him with Hossa, Datsyuk, Drury, Malkin, Guerin, Ovechkin (who also has some learning to do but decidedly more matured than Crosby), Iginla, Byfuglien and the list goes on...let alone Gretzky, Lemieux or Bourque (I just like Bourque, that one is upen to debate for y'all).

puckstopper135 · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject:

Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject:

Not that I agree with bashing his location (They play hockey in the Bahamas too believe it or not..I KNOW! Craziness where they play these days) but I definitely agree that the Cherry comment was almost like Slinky's equating Raycroft to Price...or whoever the hell he tried to associate him with.

Slinky · Minors Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Canton, GA

i'm with cman on this. a lot of the flak crosby gets is from his first season or two. he's got some work to do, but he gets it, and he's a lot more rounded player now.

anyone remember lemuix? he said after he retired the first time, that part of the reason he left was because of all the hooking, holding and crap. watching the game now, today, i a lot of players go down and stare at the ref begging for a call, than crosby does. and as for him being soft... he did play for 2 months on a broken foot 2 years ago, and was arguably the most dominant player in april that year, whilst on that broken foot.
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Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject:

Slinky · Minors Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Canton, GA

because at the age of 19 he was the NHL's scoring champion. younger than ovechkin or Malkin when they did it. Malkin put up more points, but if Sid hadn't missed all the games he missed last year and this year, he would've won the scoring championship both years based on his points per game. I think he drops from the lineup pretty easily, but i'll also contend that that has as much to do with team management not wanting to lose him for an extended period as it does him.

plus, Sid is always out against the other team's top defensive pair and forward line. Malkin sees that combination a lot, but not the entire time he's out there... those times when he sees the #2 or #3 defensive pairings are huge. And Crosby has yet to get some top wingers to play with him. The Penguins are incredibly deep down the center, but don't have much on the wings.

On the topic of Sid the Kid and Ovechkin. I would say they're even as far as talent goes, but Crosby gets the coronation that he does for a couple reasons. 1. Sid is from Canada... Ovechkin from Russia... a lot more Canadians follow the NHL than Russians. 2. Crosby is more buttoned up, cleaner looking. which appeals to the newer markets that the NHL wants to start grabbing. I love old school hockey, with players looking like they just got the shit beat out of them, because they did... but i also want the sport to grow, and to do that we're going to have to get some of the bandwagon fans and hope to convert them down the road. 3. While Ovechkin is getting better at speaking English, he's not fluent.
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Arthriticbutterflystyle · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject:

The Kid's numbers prove nothing other than the fact that he liked to have the puck a lot. So far as games played? He played 81 with 39 goals his first year and 77 with 33 goals scored this year. And so far in the playoffs I've seen Guerin out with Crosby and even a few runs with Malkin and Crosby AND Guerin...so you can't say he doesn't have good wings in the playoffs yet he's still running about average in points with all the other talent in the league.

Here's his player card:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471675#&navid=nhl-keymatch

Slinky · Minors Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 471 Location: Canton, GA

1) Ovechkin likes having the puck a lot. 550+ shots? Really? How many has he had in the 6 games w/ new york? it was 38 after 5 games i think. 2) Strong skaters tend to get the puck more b/c they're in open ice for passes, and they can go get the puck if they need to.

Crosby's official linemates are Kunitz and Guerin, both acquired at the trade deadline, and Crosby w/ Malkin really didn't happen until Bylsma came in after Therrien got the boot. Before that Crosby was rotating Fedotanko, Satan, Dupius, Sykora... 3rd line grinders, not scorers, except Fedotanko who hasn't scored 20 in a year since 2005-2006, or played 80 games since 06-07... and how old is Guerin now? He should really be a 2nd or more likely 3rd line guy.
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