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Matze
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| Slinky wrote: | ok, nate robinson... that requires skill... or malone's midget apprentice... umm... Stockey???? was that his name? But it doesn't require skill, if you're a freak of nature, Yao Ming can't jump more than 6" off the ground. Does anyone else remember how laughable Shaq's free throw attempts were for the majority of his career? or the History Channel special on giants interviewing NBA players with medical conditions that made them A) Freakishly tall and B) Freakishly unathletic
For people that are under 6' it's a damn near impossible sport... for people 7'6"... it consists of standing under the basket, going up on your tippy toes and getting 2 points. |
Well, somehow you missed to read the posts above yours. I was saying that i don't like guys like shaq or any fatass like him... for example dwight howard.. That's what all of you are hating about. but if you are a little smaller than those guys you have to work hard, get your feet and your hands quick and most importantly practise your shot. Sure big guys will have some advantages but as i have already said, most of them can't shoot anyways. Besides Andrea Bargnani or Dirk Nowitzki  . But anyways it's not only about being big... |
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Slinky
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Oh... it so will be.
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Otter
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Man you people (some of you at least) have a huge hate on for basketball.
Personally, I love the game. And well, there are some valid arguments, like that one about someone driving the lane on whoever hockey guy it was... do it a few times, that guy will be out of the game... pretty useless player if he fouls out in one quarter.
Perhaps he'll last 2 quarters... after all, he would only play 2 minutes then have to sit down for a little rest between shifts.
Big guys have their place, but they can easily be negated in the game by faster smaller guys that can shoot. A team of 5 7 footers wouldn't win against a team of Nates, Nash's, Stocktons, or other quick guards that can drop a three... as soon as they go out to block the three, the little guys are around for an easy two.
Each player has a role to fill. A team with no big guy is typically not a successful team, but you also need guards to fill their role, forwards who can be a threat inside and outside...
And as for attitude...okay, you have a point, but the whole game is 'image conscious' even from the grass roots. street ball is all about style, and what you wear is almost as important as how you play... but i fail to see how that makes the sport less challenging or skilled.
So, maybe dig up some more arguments about the sport itself... but after playing competitive basketball for most of my life, I can verify that it's not easy, it's not slow, and it's not only for tall people (although I wish I were a little bit taller.)
And as for the refs - they can suck in any sport... don't go thinking it's only basketball
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Slinky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| Otter wrote: | that one about someone driving the lane on whoever hockey guy it was... do it a few times, that guy will be out of the game... pretty useless player if he fouls out in one quarter.
Perhaps he'll last 2 quarters... after all, he would only play 2 minutes then have to sit down for a little rest between shifts.
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Yeah, but whatcha wanna bet Kobe wont be putting up 61 points on the Knicks that night? Seriously. Tie Domi sitting on the bench for 36 minutes, in exchange for Kobe sitting in the dressing room for the same 36 minutes. I think most opposing coaches take that trade.
Finally... four 12 minute quarters? What kind of pathetic s**t is that? Even football players go the full hour. What, does Lebron have somewhere to be? Can't give the fans the full hour? (and no, the half hour of time outs, fouls and general delays in the last 60seconds of the game doesnt count)
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Arthriticbutterflystyle
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| My point of contention isn't that it doesn't require any talent, it's that I just simply hate the sport because it always always ALWAYS over-rides hockey in the US. From H.S. all the way up to the NHL/NBA basketball is always more important and they're both played at the exact same time. |
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Otter
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, but whatcha wanna bet Kobe wont be putting up 61 points on the Knicks that night? Seriously. Tie Domi sitting on the bench for 36 minutes, in exchange for Kobe sitting in the dressing room for the same 36 minutes. I think most opposing coaches take that trade.
Finally... four 12 minute quarters? What kind of pathetic shit is that? Even football players go the full hour. What, does Lebron have somewhere to be? Can't give the fans the full hour? (and no, the half hour of time outs, fouls and general delays in the last 60seconds of the game doesnt count) |
Who said it was Kobe driving on whoever... put in a end of the bencher to take the punishment. Then put Kobe in. Plus flagrant fouls can get you ejected pretty quick.
four 12 mintue quarters = 48 minutes. 12 minutes short of a hockey game. Not a huge difference, but I'll give it to you... the game is shorter. But again, hockey players typically play for 2 minutes at a time, then rest. Not saying it's not exhausting for those 2 minutes, but they still get to sit and take a break. And I'm not implying that basketball players don't sit at all... I understand the breaks between quarters, and the substitutions etc... but every 2 mintues??? What, Ovechekin can't exert himself for more than 2 mintues at a time? Or does he just need to sit to think up new ways to celebrate a goal?
I'm not really meaning to be anti-hockey. I love the sport... but I just don't get people who think basketball is not a challenging, physical game.
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| Ok, NOW I'll argue the exertion point. Obviously basketball isn't as hard charging as hockey or they'd need to switch every minute or two just the same as hockey players. And Ovechkin has made one excessive celebration on his 50th goal in his third season. Personally, I think it's deserved. Look how excited those 6'7" morons get when they slam dunk a ball...are you friggin serious? Come on. Talent or not, it happens 20 times a game. |
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Otter
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| Arthriticbutterflystyle wrote: | | Ok, NOW I'll argue the exertion point. Obviously basketball isn't as hard charging as hockey or they'd need to switch every minute or two just the same as hockey players. And Ovechkin has made one excessive celebration on his 50th goal in his third season. Personally, I think it's deserved. Look how excited those 6'7" morons get when they slam dunk a ball...are you friggin serious? Come on. Talent or not, it happens 20 times a game. |
Okay, I give up. You don't like basketball. I do.
You think hockey is the best thing in the world are are refusing to acknowlege the inherent skills and talents of other specialized world class atheltes.
But - obviously you haven't played a competitive enough basketball game where there is non stop running upwards of 5-6 minutes. Constant pushing and shoving. Constant direction changes. Jumping up and down. You think that's easy for ever 1 or 2 minutes?
And a celebration after a dunk is more an intimidation act than a celebration. It's pointing out the other team as having a weakness that was exploited. It's a dare to the opposing team to try to stop them. The hockey celebration, while having some of the same ideals, is more of an celebration of how great the player is. Lookit me, I scored!!! Less intimidation. Less 'in your face'ness.
Plus basketball celebrations are (typically) done during the play. You celebrate too long, you're going to get burned.
And sorry about calling out Ovechekin - i don't typically watch alot of hockey, but his celebration is one that stands out recently. My bad if hes not one to typically do it. But as for you calling basket ball players "6'7" morons" i think... well, you're probably right... I think most of them are technically idiots without 2 braincells to rub together.
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| Otter wrote: | | But again, hockey players typically play for 2 minutes at a time, then rest. Not saying it's not exhausting for those 2 minutes, but they still get to sit and take a break. And I'm not implying that basketball players don't sit at all... I understand the breaks between quarters, and the substitutions etc... but every 2 mintues??? What, Ovechekin can't exert himself for more than 2 mintues at a time? Or does he just need to sit to think up new ways to celebrate a goal? |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless they're on the PK or PP, aren't most of their shifts only about 1 minue on average?
The reason for hockey players needing breaks is because similar to basketball players, they need to head up and down the ice. However, they also have to carry the puck, stickhandle through crowds of players, deal with bone crushing bodychecks, and try to find some way of getting the puck to the net.
In basketball, I'll give them one point for having to run back and forth down the court. Okay... and sometimes they have the ball and dribble. Once they get to the other end, they have a chance to catch their breath, since they all basically stand around, and don't move that much. Kind of like hockey on PP or PK, but even they move around more.
And that Ovechkin celebration was stupid. I would've been more impressed if he came up with something better for his 50th goal... and it probably would've been more accepted by the hockey community if it had happened in his home arena. |
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Matze
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| puckstopper135 wrote: | | Otter wrote: | | But again, hockey players typically play for 2 minutes at a time, then rest. Not saying it's not exhausting for those 2 minutes, but they still get to sit and take a break. And I'm not implying that basketball players don't sit at all... I understand the breaks between quarters, and the substitutions etc... but every 2 mintues??? What, Ovechekin can't exert himself for more than 2 mintues at a time? Or does he just need to sit to think up new ways to celebrate a goal? |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless they're on the PK or PP, aren't most of their shifts only about 1 minue on average?
The reason for hockey players needing breaks is because similar to basketball players, they need to head up and down the ice. However, they also have to carry the puck, stickhandle through crowds of players, deal with bone crushing bodychecks, and try to find some way of getting the puck to the net.
In basketball, I'll give them one point for having to run back and forth down the court. Okay... and sometimes they have the ball and dribble. Once they get to the other end, they have a chance to catch their breath, since they all basically stand around, and don't move that much. Kind of like hockey on PP or PK, but even they move around more.
And that Ovechkin celebration was stupid. I would've been more impressed if he came up with something better for his 50th goal... and it probably would've been more accepted by the hockey community if it had happened in his home arena. |
The sad development of the past few years is that somehow the sport got away from teamplay. If you have a crap team, as the lakers for instance had 3 years or so ago, most plays concentrate on one player: in this case it's kobe. I don't know why, but it somehow transferred to the other teams as well. I'm not talking about "king" james(crappy tag if you ask me), but to the likes in phoenix for example. before they traded for shaq they have been an outstanding high-speed team. Once he got there he slowed the team down and their performance went down...
But still there is some team-focused basketball out there. IMO the celtics last year were amazing. My opinion might be a little influenced of being a fan for more than 7 years by now but anyways. the big three helped creat holes when they once in a while didn't know what to do and get some space for the other guys. Rondo improved sooooo well this last year. Hope they will repeat though it's gonna be hard.
Btw, what kinda problem does the american society have with celebrating goals?  |
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Slinky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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NHL level their shifts generally consist of 35-45 seconds for forwards, maybe 1 minute for defensemen, a minute 30 for the likes of Bouwmeester, Lidstrom, Pronger etc. It's lower levels that the shifts can be a minute and up, because the pace of the game isn't there.
As for length of shifts... those guys are moving full speed for the majority of their half minute on the ice, if not moving full speed, then making hard cuts while they search for open ice or battling in the corner in front of the net. In basketball, the guys jog into position (unless there's a steal and a fast break) and then walk around or stand still as they pass the ball around. Hardly the same.
Battling in hockey means bruises, sticks to the legs and back, shoulders... battling in NBA means... pushing and leaning on each other. That's the only reason Shaq has a career... the dude is bigger than my car.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Slinky wrote: | | Battling in hockey means bruises, sticks to the legs and back, shoulders... battling in NBA means... pushing and leaning on each other. That's the only reason Shaq has a career... the dude is bigger than my car. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: Basketball |
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Basketball ist eine meist in der Halle betriebene Ballsportart, bei der zwei Mannschaften versuchen, den Spielball in die beiden in einer Höhe von 3,05 Metern an den gegenüberliegenden Schmalseiten des Spielfelds angebrachten Körbe zu werfen. Eine Mannschaft besteht dabei aus fünf Feldspielern und bis zu sieben Auswechselspielern. Jeder Treffer in den Korb aus dem Spiel heraus zählt je nach Entfernung zwei oder drei Punkte. Ein getroffener Freiwurf zählt einen Punkt. Es gewinnt die Mannschaft mit der höheren Punktzahl.
Basketball wurde im Jahr 1891 vom kanadischen Trainer James Naismith als Hallensport erfunden. Heute hat der Basketballsport weltweit, besonders in den USA, einen hohen Stellenwert. Alle vier Jahre findet in einem jeweils anderen Land eine Basketball-Weltmeisterschaft statt, die von dem Weltbasketballverband Fédération Internationale de Basketball veranstaltet wird.
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