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Idomybest
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| ok, i'm actually working ont the goal against video...i will post it soon |
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puckstopper135
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Location: Ontario
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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IMO, you go paddle down too much. Even though that makes me sound like a hypocrite, since all my videos from last year it was my signature move. But you end up screwing yourself over, because your whole blocker side high is left wide open.
Good solid butterfly slides, saved your a$$ a couple of times. Only other thing I noticed was that you could save yourself a lot of effort by controlling your rebounds better. Instead of having them bounce straight out off your pads, try directing them to the corners and off to the sides.
The last diving save on there was nice, but again... if you hold that puck against your body, you're not stuck sprawling around in desperation. |
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Idomybest
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Location: Montreal , Quebec
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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i just watch the video after i read your comment ...Your so right about the paddle down i'l try to work on that ! Thanks
You start your comment by IMO...what does it mean ?
P.S :Sorry if my english is not perfect , i'm doing my best , i'm from monteal and i usualy speak french  |
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itechwarrior
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Location: Surrey, BC
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| IMO = "In My Opinion" |
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puckstopper135
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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No problemo. I love critiquing videos, and welcome anyone to critique mine  I can handle the criticism.
And if anyone thinks I'm wrong on anything I post regarding other's videos - feel free to correct me ) |
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itechwarrior
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Goose28
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Location: Raleigh, NC
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Itech, what kind of C/A do you wear? It looks no where near as bulky as mine in, so i might try to get one. My Simmons M3 is great protection, but i feel like the michelin man out there.
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itechwarrior
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| Goose28 wrote: | | Itech, what kind of C/A do you wear? It looks no where near as bulky as mine in, so i might try to get one. My Simmons M3 is great protection, but i feel like the michelin man out there. |
RBK 6K
It looks smaller because I'm 6'4", and my bottom half is pretty big.
There's one shot in this video where it hits me in the chest, and i lose the rebound in front of me.
That shot hurt. I'm looking at upgrading to the pro level. |
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puckstopper135
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Finally got a new HP laptop in the house, 250GB hard drive. Uploaded Pinnacle Studios and made a video in about 20 minutes. God I love working with a fresh computer, programs run so much faster. But anyways, it's uploading/processing on YouTube right now so I'll post a link in the morning.
It's a video of my sister in her new gear from October. |
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Fullright
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Joined: 27 Oct 2009
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Location: chicago
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watched the video of stephanie on page 13. she's very sound in that when she goes to her knees, she went down behind her stick. very good technique. she didnt get all sloppy w/ her arms coming up while going down.
as to your video on the same page - the one where your comments throw yourself under the bus - so what? everyone feels a little off from time to time.
you still won.
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puckstopper135
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| Fullright wrote: | | watched the video of stephanie on page 13. she's very sound in that when she goes to her knees, she went down behind her stick. very good technique. she didnt get all sloppy w/ her arms coming up while going down. |
Thanks, she's worked on it a lot over the summer so I expect the more recent footage will be even better, if this video ever decides to load properly.
| Fullright wrote: | as to your video on the same page - the one where your comments throw yourself under the bus - so what? everyone feels a little off from time to time.
you still won. |
True, but it wasn't that I was getting down on myself or being discouraging - I know when I have a bad game and am fully willing to admit it. I'll gladly accept people's comments of "you played well, you played good"... doesn't mean I believe them when I play bad  I just bounce back the next game and let it go. |
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Fullright
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Having not played since 1994-95 season and up until the past few years or so, not even watching the NHL besides a game here and there (clearly my transition from player to old fart had no psychological issues  ), I've been trying to catch up with the current goaltending techniques. One thing I've noticed in the videos here is the posture of the catching glove. In alot of the videos, the goaler has his/her elbow tight to the body (so far, I follow) but from the elbow down, the arm is straight in front of the body and mitt seems to be held w/ pretty high and w/ the top of the web pointing out.
This is new to me. I was taught to keep the bicep area tight to the body (no hole) and from the elbow down, the arm should be extended out to the side with the wrist turned so the web and pocket of the mitt is exposed to the shooter, and to keep the glove at or below the hip level. Kind of like a 3rd baseman or shortstop in baseball. The theory being that the mitt covers more net, is already in position to catch a shot w/o having to turn the wrist, and with it at hip level, it is easier to raise the glove for a top shelf shot rather than having to lower it to catch a lower shot.
Is there a new school of thought or different technique to the position of the catching glove/arm these day?
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itechwarrior
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| Fullright wrote: | Having not played since 1994-95 season and up until the past few years or so, not even watching the NHL besides a game here and there (clearly my transition from player to old fart had no psychological issues ), I've been trying to catch up with the current goaltending techniques. One thing I've noticed in the videos here is the posture of the catching glove. In alot of the videos, the goaler has his/her elbow tight to the body (so far, I follow) but from the elbow down, the arm is straight in front of the body and mitt seems to be held w/ pretty high and w/ the top of the web pointing out.
This is new to me. I was taught to keep the bicep area tight to the body (no hole) and from the elbow down, the arm should be extended out to the side with the wrist turned so the web and pocket of the mitt is exposed to the shooter, and to keep the glove at or below the hip level. Kind of like a 3rd baseman or shortstop in baseball. The theory being that the mitt covers more net, is already in position to catch a shot w/o having to turn the wrist, and with it at hip level, it is easier to raise the glove for a top shelf shot rather than having to lower it to catch a lower shot.
Is there a new school of thought or different technique to the position of the catching glove/arm these day? |
Most definitely there is a new school of thought.
Previously goalies would keep the glove close to the body and slightly out to the side. This poses a bit of a problem for those who don't have the best reaction time.
You stated how it's easier to pull a glove up then bring it down to block. This may have been true in the past when a lot of hockey people would not have the weight training and muscle strength they do now. A bicep curl would be a faster reaction pulling up the glove to catch. But that's definitely not the main reason for the change.
Now the goalies keep the gloves out in front of them. The idea of this is to keep that glove in your peripheral vision at all times. Makes for much easier tracking of the puck directly in to the glove. Secondly having it out front presents a much better angle covered. If you drew a line from the puck to the top corner of the net, if your glove is out front. It cuts off much faster than if it was beside you. Makes for a quicker an easier catch.
When I first started, glove shots were going in all over the place, as soon as I started holding it out front I started making more glove saves.
Now you talked about having it pointed upwards. This is a big debate and a lot of goalie coaches have varying views on this. Pointing upwards present more of the open glove, and webbing to the puck angle. Again, quite debated. Yet I was told this weekend to not have it so pointed up, as a quick movement of the wrist to catch is easier than moving your entire arm.
I do have to say with many of the upgrades of style and technique we're seeing much better goals against averages, and save percentages. So there is a definite reason behind the madness.
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Fullright
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glad my note was comprehensible, itech. times change. in my time, the we played with our glove hands more similar to fuhr's glove positioning than in #33's (the bottom pic). btw, no chance I'm posting more pics until I get this photobucket stuff ironed out because I'd end up posting an actual size bill board.
I get the theory w/ the mitt positioned up high at least insofar as the upper corner. As to following the biscuit into the mitt and the peripheral vision, I dont know that I agree with that part. I also tend to think that it is easier to raise your hand faster than it is to lower it particularly for a shot about 18 inches or so off the ice. More baseballs get past a first baseman, thrown or hit, at that height than above the hip...which partially illustrates why we used to do it the old way. However, I do see that with the butterfly, the catching glove is already at or near the 18 inch level. I also agree about the reflex point. Fuhr and Roy, at least in Roy's earlier years, were extremely quick.
This is very interesting stuff. In a sense, I think you are touching on something significant. It seems that there is less reliance on speed/quickness together with more on stance/style concepts now than in the past. I wont include angle in the distinction though. Jacques Plante's book "Goaltending" from the early 70s emphasized them even back before we had electricity and in-door rinks.
I promise, I am not starting an argument. Just sharing ideas. Glad you verified that I was in fact seeing something different.
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puckstopper135
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| Fullright wrote: | | interesting stuff. In a sense, I think you are touching on something significant. It seems that there is less reliance on speed/quickness together with more on stance/style concepts now than in the past. I wont include angle in the distinction though. |
I think that the reasoning for it is pretty simple. Not sure how it may have differed in the past, but as the shooters get better, the goalies must adapt. Shots are coming in faster (I think...) so the goalie must react faster. If you check out GoalieGuru on YouTube, he points out a lot of times where the goalies have been shown that it's impossible to react on shots from a certain distance in. IMO, I think he has a valid point. But if that's so, then the goalies must adjust their stance to cover as much of the net as possible in order to have the advantage on the shots. If you're square to the puck and the shooter fires it straight, it hits you in the chest/stomach area (depending on your height and your butterfly if you drop into it). Ever since Roy brought in the butterfly, although I believe it was somebody else who first initiated it, it's been evolving to cover more of the net. If you position yourself in front of the puck, you force the shooters to make a good shot to get it by you. Positioning 101.
As for the "fingers up" glove positioning you were asking about. Itech nailed it - the reasoning for having the gloves out farther is to allow for easier tracking into the gloves, thus making it easier to save the puck. For a specific reasoning into the angle of the glove, where the fingers are pointed towards the ceiling: I tell my goalies that they save time if their glove is already tilted down a little. Think of it this way - if the glove is angled towards the puck (coming from the ice and travelling upwards) you basically just hold your glove there and it's an easy save. If you have your glove facing directly outwards (look at positioning of the first goalie, #31), to catch a puck at that level you would need to rotate your glove in order for it to stay in. Not a big deal at the younger levels, but when the shots are going 100+ mph, the milliseconds could make a difference.
Whether all this is true or not, I'm not entirely sure - I'm not an expert. But it seems to make sense to me, so until somebody else disproves it with facts - I'm sticking to it |
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