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flutterboy
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: my sons goalie style Reply with quote

Here is my problem, my son who is 12 cannot "butterfly" and because he doesn't have any "style" coaches will not pick him and therefore he is playing B again this year. But here is the fact, the coach he has for the last three years loves the fact that no none picks him because his coach wants him. My son's stlye is simply "I have to stop the puck no matter what", and in that he does it very well. He is the guy you want in the net in the final game of the playoffs or tournamament. But it is not advancing him to A or above.He played Lacrosse as a goalie and now has adapted that style for his on ice play. The butterfly is out the window so how can I train him in the hybrid style that he tends to use and what type of pads should I get him? Thanks for the help.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey there..

Style? Look at Tim Thomas, he has no real style other than absolute athleticism.

If your son does as good as you're telling us without a set style, he would get picked up by a better team. I have a feeling you being the father, are inflating his ability a little bit. Which is normal, but makes it hard to make a real judgment call.

He's 12 years old, he can do anything he's taught. He CAN butterfly, he just needs to learn to do so.

Send him to a goalie coach who teaches a butterfly blocking technique, most do these days. If you want him to be a hybrid style goalie it's best to be taught all styles, and he will adapt.

Remember he's 12. He's got lots of time to learn.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell the coaches in the A leagues they're idiots for turning down your son. Imagine if Marty Brodeur hadn't persisted on not butterflying.

Anyways, there's several hybrid pads on the market. Vaughn Velocities are supposed to be one of them. Best way to find out is just to go to a hockey shop or phone one and explain to them what you said to us then ask about which pads would be best.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with Arthritic. Let your son develop his own style. There is no right or wrong way. Regarding a goaltending coach, dont have him hooked up with someone who insists he knows "best". Your kid's head will get all screwed up w/ someone who tries to ram a style down his throat. The coach should expose him to the techniques of all styles, emphasize the fundamentals applicable to all styles, and let his own style evolve.

Your son is an individual and there is no "cookie cutter" approach to playing goal. Otherwise, anyone could play net.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys for the response and tips. I went out today and got him RBKs (turko break )and we went up two inches from 32 to 34. I always knew his old pads were too small but he liked them that way. Maybe know his butterfly will be better, As for his goalie coach thats me,,,,,and as I am a goalie I just look at the way he plays and then we practice on what he needs.He has been to all the schools and they just don't suit him and I am tired of paying out the money. So i bought some artificial ice.I hope this helps.I try not to push him, but at times its hard. My wife tells me that he needs to grow some muscle, he is 5 feet 8 . In the beginning he won two awards for being the best goalie, so I know how good he is. Does anyone know how Brodeur trains? Once again thanks for the help and advice.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he's 12, he shouldn't be weight training.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flutterboy wrote:
In the beginning he won two awards for being the best goalie, so I know how good he is.


Hell, in the beginning I won multiple awards for "best" goalie, and now I only play houseleague. My sister has won multiple game MVP, tournament MVP, shutout after shutout awards. She's playing Bantam A right now, but who knows where she'll end up.

I'm not discouraging you or your son or saying you're lying. I'm just saying you can't base his future at the age of 12.

I'm all for him being a hybrid, as long as he can develop it and use it to its maximal potential. But you say you're his goalie coach, being a goalie. What's your style? Do you use older generation pads, or have you upgraded to modern ones? If you're using the old ones and trying to teach him the butterfly, you probably wouldn't be having much luck.

I must say though, if he's been to multiple goalie schools and none of them have worked out... probably see if you can find one set trainer to be his goalie coach. I know my sister goes to multiple camps throughout the summer, but she always has the "real" goalie coach to go back and ask questions, and he knows her better than any of the others and can tell her what she needs to improve on. I tend to help her a lot as well, but I know when to bow down and let the expert goalie coach take over.

itechwarrior wrote:
If your son does as good as you're telling us without a set style, he would get picked up by a better team.


I'm afraid I need to agree. I've seen goalies who just flop around (a la Thomas or Hasek) and who make AA because they stop the puck, plain and simple.

I advise against doing any weight training at 12. Generally it's wise to hold off until 13/14 years old. For now, stairs, squats, lunges, anything that works the legs would be beneficial.

Best of luck! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

news flash:
this is your sons style.
In the late 80's as goalies remedied the plight of being burned on the low shot with the butterfly, a revolution took place. Goalies who went down were no longer shuned and put off.
Now with more goals being scored high, goalie who stay up or "play a balanced style" or believe it or not "cover the top of the net" are gaining traction.
your son is 12.
let him play his way. Do not corrupt him with a camp because you think he needs a "style".
Encourage him to maintain his angles and to keep doing what works for him.
Dont worry about travel, unless he is. He may be happiest playing HS hockey instead of midgets.
sit back, and enjoy, help if asked but he is likely fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: my sons goalie style Reply with quote

flutterboy wrote:
Here is my problem, my son who is 12 cannot "butterfly" and because he doesn't have any "style" coaches will not pick him and therefore he is playing B again this year. But here is the fact, the coach he has for the last three years loves the fact that no none picks him because his coach wants him. My son's stlye is simply "I have to stop the puck no matter what", and in that he does it very well. He is the guy you want in the net in the final game of the playoffs or tournamament. But it is not advancing him to A or above.He played Lacrosse as a goalie and now has adapted that style for his on ice play. The butterfly is out the window so how can I train him in the hybrid style that he tends to use and what type of pads should I get him? Thanks for the help.

I guess you really don't have a problem, per se. You have an issue that involves your son not getting onto the A league team. If he were really, really good, he would be on a travel team far, far away from home right now playing with a bunch of 12-year-old Gretskys. Same thing goes with the goalies that did make it onto the A league team.

Anyways, you never know. Maybe your son is not ready for A-level of play right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice(unecessary I might add) I guess this forum lets people make assumptions as any forum would. I gave insight into my sons style asked for pads to wear and then asked if there was any drills out there for the hybrid goalie and asked if anyone knew how brodeur trained. but instead I got "motherly advice" So once again thanks, but I would rather appreciate the comments to what I am asking and not assumptions you are making.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That might of been your initial intention but, that's not how it came across.

You didn't merely ask the question, you gave a synopsis of the situation. What do you expect people to do? If you want a simple answer, ask a simple question.

Maybe you need the motherly advice.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itechwarrior wrote:
That might of been your initial intention but, that's not how it came across.

You didn't merely ask the question, you gave a synopsis of the situation. What do you expect people to do? If you want a simple answer, ask a simple question.

Maybe you need the motherly advice.



I agree. Its a web forum we can only read and respond to what you posted.
Brodure has books out, Jim corsi his goalie coach for decades has a book out, get it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flutterboy wrote:
Thanks for all the advice(unecessary I might add)


Thanks for the synopsis into the situation (unnecessary I might add)

flutterboy wrote:
I guess this forum lets people make assumptions as any forum would.


It's a public forum, we're stating our opinions. Fully logical thinking.

flutterboy wrote:
I gave insight into my sons style asked for pads to wear and then asked if there was any drills out there for the hybrid goalie and asked if anyone knew how brodeur trained.


As R2MN said - pick up a book and read. Unless you're unable to do that... which wouldn't shock me at this point.

flutterboy wrote:
So once again thanks, but I would rather appreciate the comments to what I am asking and not assumptions you are making.


I would assume our assumptions to be relatively accurate going by the information you gave us. Maybe it hurts the ego a little to come to realization that if your son was an 'A' level goalie, he would have been chosen regardless of his style? And that based on our own past experiences, winning multiple goalie awards at a young age does not guarantee greatness?

Please, rethink before you post another topic with your original post. Oh, and by the way...

flutterboy wrote:
The butterfly is out the window so how can I train him in the hybrid style that he tends to use and what type of pads should I get him?


Arthriticbutterflystyle wrote:
Vaughn Velocities


flutterboy wrote:
Thanks guys for the response and tips. I went out today and got him RBKs


So, Arth gives you advice... and you go out and buy another pad? And by the way, there had been posts made prior to that which offered no pad advice, and just general "motherly advice". You never mentioned anything about that being an issue at that point... you seemed rather appreciative.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention Reeboks are typically butterfly pads. they don't leave much room for any other style as they're built primarly for butterfly goalies like Fluery and company. If you ask for advice, try to listen to it. If you make a statement, expect people to comment. If you don't follow advice you asked for and you don't want people responding to statements...find another forum.

And PS...stop being a *****...before I have to start deleting your posts too.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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