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Arthriticbutterflystyle
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: How To: Butterfly Reply with quote

Alright guys, lets hear it. How do you effectively and consistently butterfly?

I know it's not something that's easy to explain but for the new guys' sake, please try and describe how to effectively butterfly.

Videos are also appreciated! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over time, the style of goaltending has changed. Many years ago goaltenders made the majority of their saves deep in the crease and standing up. However, recently as the speed of the game progressed, the style of goaltending has changed along with it. Goaltenders have moved away from the typical stand up, deep in the crease style and developed their overall movement. In doing so, goaltenders developed certain save selections that gave them an advantage to make saves that were once nearly impossible to make.

The butterfly style of goaltending has become very common among goalies these days. When a shot is taken, a goalie can drop into a butterfly position and basically remove any and all net available to the shooter down low. When the butterfly is done properly, it removes holes between the elbow and body and goalies can recover aggressively from the position as well.

- Bandit's Goalie Shcool


Successful butterfly tips include:

1. Quick Saves: The butterfly will be most effective on low shots, shots that are taken from in tight, tip shots and also on screen shots.

2. Active Stick: Goaltenders must remember to have an active stick while keeping the stick blade on the ice. The blade should be used to cover the fivehole when moving into the butterfly. While in the butterfly, keep the stick blade 12” – 14” inches away from the knee rolls of the pads. This will allow lateral movement with the stick blade to deflect the puck to the corner.

3. Power Leg: When pushing into the butterfly, goaltenders must drive with their power leg and bring the knees tightly together, creating very little room between the fivehole. While pushing into a butterfly, goalies sometime forget to bring their knees together and drag their power leg behind them. This will ultimately slow down their laterally movement and expose a vulnerable spot between the fivehole.

4. Use of Glove & Blocker: The glove and blocker should be sealed to the body to remove any holes between the elbows. Goaltenders do not want to bring the glove behind their body or pad but to keep it always open and slightly in front so reacting to a tight shot or deflection can be done with ease. With the blocker tight to the body, a goaltender must keep the stick blade in front of the pads on a slight angle so deflecting a low shot to the corner can be accomplished without putting rebounds back out into the front slot area.

The butterfly has become a significant part of the game of goaltending. By following some of the tips above, goaltenders will become fundamentally sound with their butterfly. To grow and develop with the game of goaltending is what makes a goalie an ongoing student of the game.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Butterfly has dominanted the game for the last ten years as the best position to stop the puck down low , through the success of Patrick Roy, Ed Belfour, and Dominick Hasek.

My theory is the Butterfly save is a great save selection if used correctly by younger goaltenders and not over used to the point goalies are getting out of position by going down to quick....thus creates holes in the top of the net and wide open backdoor plays. . By being patient(staying on feet) on long shots you are in the best position to react to high shots or low shots thus dominanting the opposing players with great save selection and a great butterfly system on body and low shots.

The Butterfly save starts in your stance feet shoulder width apart and lower your knees to the ice covering low part of the net and 5 Hole.,both legs in a V with pads completely on the ice square to ice . The extension of your legs depends on your flexibility in the knees, hip flexor and inner groin area.through proper training and stretching this area can improve dramatically.

Key Points
- Keep stick on ice in 5 Hole
- upper body upright to obtain full net coverage
- Both knees on ice and legs extended to sides (toes pointing downwards)
- Gloves in front of body ready
- Elbows tight to body to eliminate goals going through arms

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st picture is a better example than the second one, IMO. Key element is closing off the 5-hole, either with stick or by bringing the pads together.

Also - when comparing second picture to first picture, the first goalie has his arms a little farther away from his body. While this is effective at cutting down the area of the net that the shooter can see, its disadvantage is that sometimes you get some pucks that will squeeze through in the small space between your arms and body.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct, the second butterfly is no where as technically sound as the first in the pad department, but the second one has better arm position.






Nicolas Backstrom is one of the most technically sound butterfly goalies in the league.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Drive your knees down to the ice
2) Hold your thighs and knees together while kicking your feet as far out to the sides as your legs will allow
3) Sit up on your knees, don't lean backwards or sit on your butt.
4) Chest up, aggressive towards the shooter.
5) Stick flat on the ice in front of you blocking any holes between your knees.
6) Gloves by your sides closing off any holes under your arm pits and ready to shoot out to either side if needed.

7) When the puck hits you either it stays with you or bounces away

If it stays with you:
Cool Collapse your body over or around the puck, smothering it. If it's on the ice, get your glove on top of it and protect your glove with your stick. You can either hold your stick up at the height of a player's waste to push him away from your glove, or your blade in front of your glove protecting it from incoming sticks
If the puck hits you in the chest, cradle your glove under the puck and smother it in your pads

If the puck bounces away
9) Get up with the leg farthest from the puck first, as you get up with the other leg, push towards your new positioning.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itechwarrior wrote:



This butterfly is actually more technically sound then it looks at first glance. Yes, there is a space where the pads don't touch, creating a hole, however, if you look past that, the knees are tight together so, even when a puck gets past the pads it will hit the legs and stop it. If the knees were apart, it would create a hold the puck could get through. This is a narrower butterfly then the first picture, but the holes are filled, so technically it's a pretty good butterfly. A little more curve on the thigh part of the pads would make this butterfly look better as the tops of the pads would close, but, it's good just like it is.
I find a lot of times new goalies are trying to get a wide butterfly, but they don't make sure the legs are together, which leaves more holes then having a narrow butterfly like this one with the knees together. This guy has a "giggy fly"....like Giggy. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to that blue sweatered goalie... check out his stick placement. He only has the heel of the blade on the ice, should be the whole thing. Even more 5-hole covered!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although she didn't word it very clearly she is correct. Keeping the blade of the stick which involves keeping your blocker hand elevated slightly is important as it keeps a solid seal along the ice right in your 5-hole area (the area between your legs) and deflects any shots there up and into your mid-section hopefully allowing you to soak the shot up and not allow a rebound.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itechwarrior wrote:



Sloppy stick, terrible glove positioning, and he is wasting space on width.

You really don't need to elevate the blocker unless you are sure the puck is coming straight at your stick with a forward charging in. If this is the case, you can keep your stick flat on the ice and pounce on the puck when it's in. Otherwise, you can ramp the stick. Doing that is preferred to the pictured kind of off center stick positioning. Also note that that paddle is probably 1" or even 2" too tall for the kid in the shot. Anything shot at the pads from here should be controlled with the stick. He won't be controlling any shots with a sloppy stick like that.

The glove positioning is abysmal. Lots of wasted space, it's not even fully open; and it is too tight to the body. Same with the block. if he wasn't squeezed so tight, the tender would have the entire net covered from this angle.

Finally the leg flare. This is missed in a lot of teachings. He is sacrificing coverage of his 5 hole here for width which he doesn't need. He could basically bring his legs in tighter to help his knees squeeze together and be a solid block from the ice up. Also, imagine a shooter cranking a hard low shot to his left pad. It could hit the boot scoop, leaving the 'tender in this picture vulnerable to the same forward cutting across, picking up his own rebound, and going top cheese. If he brought in his ankles a bit, the shot would miss the net and he would be safe.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

puckstopper135 wrote:
In addition to that blue sweatered goalie... check out his stick placement. He only has the heel of the blade on the ice, should be the whole thing. Even more 5-hole covered!


Actually I was taught to only use the heal as the centre point. So as far as my goalie coach is concerned it's perfect.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mx42 wrote:

The glove positioning is abysmal. Lots of wasted space, it's not even fully open; and it is too tight to the body. Same with the block. if he wasn't squeezed so tight, the tender would have the entire net covered from this angle.


Actually in a butterfly block position you're supposed to have those locked tight against your body. Any goalie school will tell you that, remember this is the block position, and not some stance where the shot it out far. This is pretty much a decent block. You are correct in his glove should be open more facing the shot.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made a write-up about wide vs. narrow butterflys. Lemme see if I can find it...

well, in some instances, a narrow butterfly would be prefered. it cuts down tension on your joints, you have much better rebound conrol, and you can play more around the sides of the net. for example, if the opposing teams forward is right below the faceoff circle to your left, and he shoots, you would want to use a narrow butterfly because it brings your body closer to the post than if you were in a wide butterfly. Because, if you were in a wide butterfly, your skate would be hitting up against the post, which gives the shooter much more room to shoot for.

On the flip side, the wide butterfly does give you MUCH better width of coverage, which means you take away more room on the ice. And, you can cover a lot more space on the butterfly slide, because if you were in a narrow butterfly, it would have a lot more resistance along the ice, which means you wouldn't be able to go as far. The wide butterfly is also very helpful when you are screened

So you would definently want to get a wide butterfly, but don't forget about the narrow butterfly, just because it dosn't cover as much room.

Just my two cents
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aubby,

i think by wide vs narrow they're not talking about his leg pads but his chest and torso. He's squeezing himself together and giving up the outside edges. He can cover more net by opening his glove up and letting his arms a little looser against his body for a standard b-fly, and then tightening up if the shot is coming straight at his gut and he wants to close off any holes.

You're right when it comes to wide and narrow on your pads.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itechwarrior wrote:
mx42 wrote:

The glove positioning is abysmal. Lots of wasted space, it's not even fully open; and it is too tight to the body. Same with the block. if he wasn't squeezed so tight, the tender would have the entire net covered from this angle.


Actually in a butterfly block position you're supposed to have those locked tight against your body. Any goalie school will tell you that, remember this is the block position, and not some stance where the shot it out far. This is pretty much a decent block. You are correct in his glove should be open more facing the shot.


Of course they would. I have attended these schools. They would also say the goalie is way too tight to the point of focusing on being so tight he won't be able to move out the other way if the shot comes.

All it would take to score here is a slight push or pull to the left or right and the shooter would have loads of room to put it.


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