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bossssman38
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 Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: help!! with butterfly!! |
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| I just need some advice on a couple things. First of all, i had a game a couple days ago and my team blew a 3 goal lead going into the 3rd and we had lost it in overtime. Most of the blame was put on me because the overtime goal could have been stopped because of the angle that the shooter was at. The puck went over my shoulder. My teamates were telling me that i go down into butterfly too much and they say that i seem to go down before the shot is taken. The first accusation might be right-sometimes i go down to butterfly too often- if thats possible- but i know for a fact that i dont go down BEFORE the shot is taken. I just need help about when to go down and if i am going down too much, should i come out of my crease enough to close the area above my shoulder? Also, i had heard that butterfly goalies go down to butterfly first-and then react to the shot. I seem to do that a lot and i need some advice on whether this is correct. thanks |
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TheAntiw00t
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personally it seems that when i get beat up top in a butterfly it's because i'm not cutting down on the angle enough. I've been working on playing more aggressively towards the shooter and working on faster footwork to compensate for that. Obviously you can't be playing way out of the crease in all situations but for the most part as a mostly butterfly goalie (especially if you're not super tall) you have to play out of the paint more than most it seems.
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texasgoalie08
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| The shot that went over your shoulder, where was it taken from?? The point, slot, etc. |
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bossssman38
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| exactly between middle of circle and goal line. i didnt want to come out because he was in a good position to make a pass to the slot or backdoor and i wanted to be ready for that. i overthink sometimes. |
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itechwarrior
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when someone starts blaming you for a goal... ask them who the hell was supposed to be on that guy that shot? i hate that players like to blame the goalie, when it's a team game, a team breakdown caused the position of the guy's play. stand tall buddy, and don't let your team mates bring you down.
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bossssman38
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thanks itech  |
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itechwarrior
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no problem dude.
i'm no great goal tender, only been playing 8 months myself. but i play on two teams. one is skilled, the other is not. i lose badly with one, and i get shut outs with the other. so when those guys on the bad team try and tell me it's my fault... i like to point them to my other team's stats page. 2 shut outs so far this year. low goals against average, and a high save percentage. then i like to explain to them what i just told you. if it's all my fault, i shouldn't have let that 2 on 0 happen.. why wasn't i at the blueline? oh yeah? i'm the freakin goalie!
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texasgoalie08
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And you were down in the b-fly for this, correct?? How tall are you?? The reason I am asking, when you drop down in the butterfly, are you hunched or do you sit down?? Or, do you stand tall in the net when you are on your knees in the b-fly?? I am trying to see how your bfly stance/posture is.
If he was in this close, then I understand going into the bfly. I would have.
But, one thing. Play the shooter and don't worry about him passing. Let your defensemen take care of the passing outlets. If the shooter passes
to somebody else, and they score, it is your defensemens fault. But, if he shoots and beats you, it is your fault and then maybe, your team has something to bitch about. |
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bossssman38
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| yeah i was in b-fly. I am only 5' 7'' which is short for a goalie. I used to have a problem not being as tall as i can while in b-fly and sometimes when i just react without thinking i might tend to slouch a little but im never on my butt. should my thighs and hips be straight up in b-fly? I think i just need to simplify the way i think and just concentrate on being aggresive on the shooter. it just sucks because my defence is not the greatest and they dont always do their jobs, which shows up on my stats. |
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bossssman38
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| oh and i cant slide because this is roller hockey lol. |
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FutureSuperstar93
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| itechwarrior wrote: | | when someone starts blaming you for a goal... ask them who the hell was supposed to be on that guy that shot? i hate that players like to blame the goalie, when it's a team game, a team breakdown caused the position of the guy's play. stand tall buddy, and don't let your team mates bring you down. |
Not to be a downer, but the goalies job is to stop the puck and you can't expect your team to give no shots every game. And it's better for the defensemen, in most cases, to stay out of the way of the shooter and just keep them off to the side or even in the slot they shouldn't be in front of the shooter because all that does is creates a screen. And I feel bad when I let in a shot when my defenseman makes a good play for me, and when I do that sometimes they'll even tell me I have to stop those, and I can take that because I know it's my fault. Your teammates shouldn't be calling you out on the losses, but I hate it when goalies go with the 'it's never my fault' mindset because then you start putting down the wrong people for the loss.
As far as letting in goals in the butterfly, you probably aren't going down too early if they're just shooting it over you, you're probably just too far in the crease. Unless you go down and they go around you, or they pass it, it's likely you're not going down to early. You just need to be on angle. Easy way to remember is just keep your belly button sqaure to the shooter and you should be right in front of him, and then when you go down, be out far enough to that the puck won't go over your shoulder. Just get out as far as you can as you see they're about to shoot. You should be all set and shouldn't be getting beat up when you go down if you're far enough out and at the proper angle.
On when to go down, pretty much when you see the shoot it. Once their stick goes back you can just go down.
But you probably won't need to stay standing up for any shot to stop it. Going down too early and getting scored on up high really don't connect becasue you can stop almost every shot when you go down for it.
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texasgoalie08
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| Good that you are not on your ass when you are in the bfly and just try to stand tall and fill up as much of the net as possible. Like Itech said, there's no reason for your defensemen to let a guy get in that close to shoot on you. But, anyway, did you get beat stick or glove side?? I don't want to beat this to death, but, I am trying to help you figure this out. |
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bossssman38
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thanks for all the replies in a short amount of time. i know its my job to stop pucks and thats how i need to think game time. i try to do too much at once if that makes sense. i just need to ignore my teammates when they tell me how to be a good goaltender. they keep trying to tell me how to play and its pissing me off. and the backup is talking crap about me saying im the one who needs to step it up. i thought this was a team sport!!! but anyways i know i am doing the right things most of the time it just sucks when the team stops playing and the goalie is the one who has to pay-stats and looks wise.
I got beat high glove side.
Another question- when standing and in b-fly where should the blocker be positioned? i think thats another problem i have because my blocker seems to be in front of me (in b-fly and standing) and my glove tends to sink low and in line with my body. i think those are opposite what they need to be haha |
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bossssman38
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here is a pic from last year dont make fun of me!!!!!! (i know the jersey doesnt match and i know my positioning was god awful) my blocker looks like its infront of my pad and covering it and my glove is really low and behind my pad. (this picture is basically me doing everything wrong haha)
http://longislandimage.smugmug.com/gallery/4459928_LNkgz#262276815_GX8fo |
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texasgoalie08
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You look like you are in a good position and tracking the puck good. In my opinion, you should always have your gloves a little out in front of your body. You want to be able to move your gloves side to side(across your body) and up and down. But, getting beat over your glove side shoulder is unecessary. It looks as if you are holding your glove too low for how low you already are to the ground. Try raising your glove up halfway between your waist and your shoulder. This should help "deter" shooters from going high and over your shoulders, even when you are in the b-fly. There is a thread going on right now about glove positioning. Check it out.
Found this picture on another board. Perfect glove (for me) positioning. Notice where his trap hand is. Not up, not down, in the middle. Don't pay attention to his blocker side; too much daylight between his arm and body.
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