Goaltending Stances...

Ebywyld · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:30 am Post subject:

Awesome. The help has been great so far.

And yes, Puckstopper, you basically grabbed what I meant by what I'd said. I considered 'basic stance' the position you were in when you moved around, following the puck WHILE it's in your zone. The "Pre-shot" stance is the stance you're in literally a second or two before you anticipate a shot. For most goalies, you'd think they're the same, but I've noticed they're not.

How much, on that subject, should you ALWAYS have your legs bent when it's in your zone? 90 degrees? Or will that exhaust you unnecessarily?
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puckstopper135 · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject:

I never have my legs bent at 90 degrees, even in my ready stance. I usually have them at about 100-110 degrees.

When the puck is in my zone, it depends. If my team has clear control, a lot of times I'll stand right up, but still have my gloves out and ready in case we lose the puck.

If the puck is being passed around a lot, example on a power play, then I'll still be up a fair bit as it's easier to see and easier to move.

If a player gets the puck and starts skating towards the net looking for a quick shot, or the play is anywhere in the slot area, I'll be in my full ready stance and use mostly shuffles.

If the puck is behind/beside the net, I'll use a combination of a post hug/VH, depending on the situation.

Ebywyld · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject:

That's another thing, I've seen goalies put one leg pad against the post, and the other down, spread out like almost a butterfly, only, since I'm horrible at butterfly slides, I've never tried it, because if they passed it across to somebody on the other side, I'd be essentially trapped there.

Is there any reason I should force myself to learn to do the one leg post hug, one leg down thing? Or am I just fine ALWAYS standing?

I haven't seen too many NHLers focusing on either one, in fact, I'm going to now youtube what they do when it's behind/adjacent to the net.

But, for long-term goals, should I learn both, or if I perfect one, is it good enough?
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Vigier · Minors Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 270 Location: Manitoba

You've really never seen that before? We had to use it all the time in Rick's camp. I think he called it the VH, I don't why. You can use it for bad angle shots, and post hugging. It's not very hard to butterfly slide with it, because your push leg is already up.

It's also good for wraparounds.
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Ebywyld · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject:

I ended up saving a wraparound today by pushing off of the opposite post, and falling right onto my a$$, my ankle and foot flopping out and catching it with the TOE of my skate, clinking off the post...

What I do for wraparounds is ANYTHING but orthodox!

And I've seen people do it, but more importantly, is it a skill I NEED to learn (for example, better skating is something you HAVE to learn, or you're screwed later on)
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Returning2MyNet · Minors Joined: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 379

the CS is on the newerish end of butterfly, and IMHO its for pure butterfly goalie, or when you want give a differnt unexpected look to a potential shooter for the more hybird.
use the ol stand up method for now, of glvoe side hug the post tight, legs squozen tight stick on the ice thight to your toes, blocker in tight, glove arm out side the post, glove tight tothe leg pad near the knee. do all that try not to be flat footed...
same deal blocker side, but keep the blocker in a postion that keeps your stick blade flat on the ice, tight to your toes.
if you draw an imaginary line from the right post to left where the blue line meets the boards, you should be standing on it. no one will get a puck past youlike this from below the board side hashmarks on a shot.
as for the wrap around just get ther faster Smile

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Vigier · Minors Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 270 Location: Manitoba

You could just roll over and hope you save it. There's another method where you slide from post to post with your paddle down, in a butterfly type stance to cover wraps as well.
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puckstopper135 · Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:30 am Post subject:

I'd recommend learning the VH (stands for Vertical Horizontal - referring to the leg positioning). Now I'm pretty picky when it comes to using it. I only use it if the shooter is in tight, and in an area where if I butterfly, it would be awkward and have my skates banging the post hardcore. Not good.

But, disadvantage is that if you don't use it in the right situation, you'll probably get beat high a lot. And if you can't butterfly slide with one leg up like that, it'll kill you on any cross-crease passes.

I'd say for now, work on your stand up (just practice shuffles post-to-post whenever you have any ice time with no shots) and then work on this once you get the hang of butterfly sliding. It's always handy to know a lot of different techniques, as long as you know when to use them.

Veej - referring to kind of what Hasek is doing in your picture? I've seen a few goalies do that - very handy if the shooter has pressure on them and they're trying for a quick wraparound. Seals the whole bottom and leaves little chance of a rebound. BAD if the shooter has time, or if there's anybody open in front. I've seen too many goalies slide over like that, only to have the players look up, pass out and then you're in no position to butterfly slide over for the save. And plus, your upper body is angled more downwards so you have to make that extra transition in bringing your upper body back to its normal positioning.

Oh another note on the VH - I use it a lot when going from my blocker side to my trapper side on an in-tight wrap. I push over and as I come across, I'll drop my trail leg and come over with my left leg against the post, glove on top (in case of a funny high bounce) and slide the paddle down to seal off the ice. Has worked extremely well so far Very Happy

Ebywyld - I'm on the ice with some spring ice goalies this Sunday, I'll bring my video camera out and try to get some different footage and post it up for you regarding the VH/behind the post plays, based on my own opinions and knowledge Smile

Vigier · Minors Joined: 29 Mar 2008 Posts: 270 Location: Manitoba

If you see the shooter not shooting the puck right away in the aforementioned "Hasek picture" you should be raising your chest as the shooter holds onto the puck longer. As he gets farther away you can start to bring your gloves up.
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Ebywyld · Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:43 am Post subject:

Awesome, thanks!

Yea, with my leg strength, I'm finding shuffles and t-pushes very effective. I just went to a late pick-up, that's where I was, and I tried the 'ol stand-up' and just pushed as hard as possible when cross ice passes got through my stick, and I got there every time except one where a player tripped me (but I'm assuming in a game that won't be a problem?)

Thanks, and hopefully you'll be able to do that, it would help I think.
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puckstopper135 · Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject:

In a game the player should get a goaltender interference penalty, especially if it results in a goal.

Ebywyld · Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:18 am Post subject:

Thank goodness. Little runt paid for it though... players in pick-up tend not to check too hard, if at all, for the most part, but whenever somebody bumps into a goalie, it's only a matter of seconds before BOTH teams are beating the crap out of them.

I like wearing the pads Smile

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Ebywyld · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:51 am Post subject:

New pads got here last night, so I'll be trying them out at noon. I'll update tomorrow night after school gets out...
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puckstopper135 · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject:

Post pictures ASAP! Very Happy

Oh, and my sister ended up having a practice at the same time as the summer ice last night, so I couldn't get the footage.

Ice time again tomorrow night, hopefully it'll work out and I can get some then.

Ebywyld · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject:

If I post pictures, two things will have to happen:

One) I'll get lectured for wearing the Itech 1400 mask

Two) My pads will be laughed at Smile

They're new for me, but they're old. Simmons 991's I believe, and I can't figure out where to put the huge thigh boards at, so I leave them outside of my pants, haha.

Anyways, heavy as hell pads, weighed me down (because I'm used to my crappy roller like pads) but I didn't feel a thing all day. It really put me in a good frame of mind mentally, because I was stuffing shooters ALL day.

The ONE downside was that I was beaten not once, or even twice, but FOUR times underneath my right leg pad with quick snapshots before I could drop into the B-fly. I widened my stance quite a bit, and that helped, but it was still going under. It was the same shooter too, I've got to get his name... he played for the Kings for a few years...

Anyways, good day overall, the glove setup still rocked the house. I was robbing glove side shots all game (thank YOU R2MN once again!) and I'm thinking I'll adjust to the weight of the leg pads. Necessary evil, I'm sure, and as strong as my legs seem to be, I do fine in terms of exhaustion, I can just TELL that they're heavier.
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